To think the use of prostitutes just isn't that big a deal?

ActualHornist, was that meant for me?.

You sound, at best, hopelessly naive.

Drabarni Thanks for that link and I will look at that as soon as i have a moment, seems very sad its happening:(

Branster Alough that post was made by me I hope you understand that it was told to me by a woman untill she met this man she was a 30 odd year old working Escort for almost two years, and she did seem to me she knew a lot about what went on in that field and there were two links given to a website for women activly engaged in that line of work.

As to women from Romainia regardless of their ethnic origion there are a lot, relative to the number of women sex workers in the UK, of them here. It appears that there are a lot of women from from Russia and the baltic states and not so many from counties like Hungary and checzh, poland, serbia but the were a few more from Bulgaria the rest were from China and Japan Thailand and South Korea. The Romania women are believed to be the most trafficked and as you say are here having been promised jobs and a better life in the UK but are now working girls. Her new husband to be did say that it was widely known that this was happening as the girls were not into their job and were disintrested in their"work". On one of the "punting" sites there were police and immigration authority numbers to anonomosly report suspected tracfficked girls. In fact this has been reported on in our local newspaper in a home counties "leafy suburb" area where so called pop up brotels are set up sometimes in Airbnb rentals!

In those reports it was alleged that men and women were running such operations! I suppose you can describe it as modern day slavery:(

FWIW i do rent out a few houses as a private small landlord and have in one for several years had a Romiainian single mum who was describing how a lot of men there were totally useless inculuding her ex husband she has in renent times after several years found a decent Romaina man man and has moved to a bigger place now to live with him and their children. She did a lot to improve herself job wise when she was here.

Please don't pick apart the wording I have used here and there it was just to report on an "as is" basis as some times its difficult to describe something or some activity without upsetting someone somewere!

Justaboy

Syria, Slovakia to name just two places.
It's Roma women. They say it's stopped in Slovakia but it's still going on according to some reports.

That is exactly the point: world-wide!
As I suggested in an earlier post, this needs to be looked at from a global perspective. Not from a random personal experience where a mate of a mate said what happened to them and how normal it is to use a prostitute for sex.
Yes we can try look for studies and statistics to justify this and that or to support the idea that this is all wrong, but you’ll never find a proper world wide study. Who’s going to do the research, how accurate is going to be and how truthful will the subjects in the study be. We can only go by data collected by enforcing agencies and that only sees a small part of the picture.
As for the Romani culture, my perception, based on general knowledge, is that they do not sell or prostitute their children or women and the women, in general, do not prostitute themselves. It is not in their culture. Some of them may well prostitute others for financial gain(because criminal gangs would be derived from any culture and they wouldn’t be immune to this particular illegal temptation) but not their own people.
As regards an influx of Romanian (or Eastern European) prostitutes in the UK, it is very, very wrong to generalise this to their entire female population. Or, equally, to state that local men are horrible so the women have to flee. I have met and worked with a lot of professional, very well educated men and women from that part of the world with clear family values and mutual respect. Whichever country I visited there was full of respectful, hardworking people who value their children, larger families and work and have self respect and treat others with kindness and professionalism. Young girls in that part of the world can be particularly pretty and part of the rural population is not as well informed and possibly naive in their thinking which is what leads to larger recruitment in this area. It doesn’t mean they end up in this industry because they want to, they are being groomed. And by the time the reality sinks in, it is too late for them to escape being used by organised crime. And there are voluntary non-governmental programmes to educate young girls about this issue but the schemes are simply not big enough. There are programmes to support women who escape the sex industry to try and help these women deal with the trauma and social repercussions but, again, it needs to be done on a greater scale.
Fair enough, you can say to me, but how do you know, where are the numbers for these etc. And I can say but how do you know this is not happening? I haven’t seen this first hand but I have read enough about the subject and watched documentaries and tried to keep myself informed because I was shocked when I first heard of what a big a problem this is. And my curiosity also led me to learn about this subject in other parts of the world.
I simply cannot understand how some (Very few on here) people still think it’s OK to agree with any kind of activities provided by the sex industry.theres nothing wrong with sex as such. But providing and using any kind of service (from sex chat lines upwards) only feeds the notion that it’s OK to use unwilling women for sex. It bloody well isn’t!

so while a few start young

Ok.

So a) accurate data about prostituted women is incredibly hard to collect
b) worldwide, many, many girls are prostituted.
c) look at how common porn titles like “destroy her teen ass” are to get a flavour of how much youth is prized by men.
d) you say “a few” - how many is acceptable to you?

Exponential, sadly very young children being exploited for sex isn't 'absurd' at all. It happens daily in this country and every other.

Now just think about this for a minute. For 14 to be theaverageage of starting prostitution then for every prostitute who started at 25 there must be a load of toddlers starting in prostitution-can’t you see that that is absurd

You know that's not a gotcha right?
How is it absurd, it happens all over the world. Just because its hidden in the dark web and is very underground doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
Bloody hell some babies are created for this exact purpose.

Yep, in the UK I think it’s early 20s but worldwide studies have given the age of 14, some even say 12-13. And having read/seen/heard the things I have I’m not surprised.

I’m really not going to get into children and toddlers though, it’s hard enough to talk about teenagers and adults as I was forced into prostitution as a (just) teenager myself. I’m sure anyone who doesn’t want to believe it won’t and anyone who is ‘interested’ (for want of a better word) will look into themselves. Although I don’t recommend it.

@OralBee knowing that the average age a woman starts her ‘career’ in prostitution at the age of 14

Now just think about this for a minute. For 14 to be the average age of starting prostitution then for every prostitute who started at 25 there must be a load of toddlers starting in prostitution-can’t you see that that is absurd?

In a study comparing street and parlour prostitutes in Bristol here the authors show Parlour sex workers had been older when they started selling sex (mean 23.1 years versus 20.8 years for street sex workers.

In a study in Leeds and Glasgow the average ages of starting were 22.7 for those working indoors and 19.6 for street workers here .

Independent workers generally start later-often in their 30s or older here

so while a few start young the average age of starting is much higher

The people who use them should be criminalised and locked up

You say that but suely the people who should be locked up are those who run social security systems?

Of course its not right but we all buy stuff make in sweatshops in the Asian region but if we didnt buy wouldn't those poor saps suffer all the more?.

Roma women are forcibly sterilised in some areas,

Bloody hell whos doing that?, sounds like Would War two Nazi presecution all over again!..

Saying that it’s ok that some people,(mostly women.) are in su Co a terrible position socially mentally and financially that they have to sell their bodies in order to make a living. Is fucking outrageous and completely dehumanises the PEOPLE who for whatever reason are FORCED through circumstance to have NO OTHER VIABLE CHOICE. The people who use them should be criminalised and locked up.

I was just about to say that also oralbee.

A study from the United Nations’ International Labour Organization estimated 3.8 million adults and 1 million children were victims of forced sexual exploitation in 2016 around the world.

99% of those are women and girls.

I wouldn’t take a 6% chance of having sex with someone who was coerced or forced to do it...

I absolutely do not believe it’s 6% having been forced into it at a young age and knowing that the average age a woman starts her ‘career’ in prostitution at the age of 14 but even if it is true, would you have sex with someone knowing there’s a 6% chance they have been forced to do it?

@ loserssaywhat n For every handfulof women who make the informed decision to work as a prostitute there are thousandsof other women and girls who have been forced into it

How do you know that? This is a claim often made but where is the representative study that shows this? There isn’t one-this is pure speculation.

The studies that do exist suggest coercion is rare here for instance the authors note Few women reported being coerced into sex work (using the UN definition as made to work by someone or to give earnings to someone else -the total coerced amounts to around 6%.

The recently published report commissioned by the Home Office The nature and prevalence of prostitution and sex work in England and Wales today here acknowledges there are women who subject to exploitation there were others who identify selling sex as a pleasurable and lucrative career choice, or as a therapeutic vocation.

They were however unable to say how many fell into each category.

Bezalelle OK, but, they ARE consenting. They are getting paid for it, and they are choosing to provide that service?

IF and it is a big if, the woman can make the same or more money in another job, one she can get without needing further qualifications, training, different hours experience etc.

Has not been trafficked, has not gone through a Juju ceremony, have had educational opportunities.

Add to that being over the age of 18 the first time they 'provided the service' with the above caveat.

Only then, is it a choice. But how often is that the case?

Romany is a race there are thousands of us across the world and our DNA is distinctive, and covers the migration from India c1500 years ago.

There are Romany in Romania too, as well as across Europe.
Research is currently looking at some transported to America being earlier than believed and could be original settlers.
A Roma/Romany woman would not prostitute unless forced. We are proud and cover up, following traditional culture from Indian caste system. e have our own head covering called Diklo.

There may be prostitutes from all over Europe as we have seen a lot of migration over the past 10 years or so.
Roma women are forcibly sterilised in some areas, I'm not aware of a huge influx moving here to prostitute, but if anyone has some evidence I would be very interested in reading.

How many times can it be said that when a women is left with no other choice, her only option is not a choice.
That is not agency.
For every handful of women who make the informed decision to work as a prostitute there are thousands of other women and girls who have been forced into it.
We do these women a great disservice with the 'sex work is work' narrative that focuses on the small minority who legitimately want to be prostitutes while ignoring the thousands who don't, the women who are struggling to make ends meet, the trafficked women and girls, the women who are traumatised by their experiences in the sex industry.
When an industry is actively harming women and girls it's all of our business.

Head. Desk.

RTFT, have you Mary?

A lot of people on here seem to have a problem with women taking agency over their own bodies.

None of your business really, is it?

I think if people (including punters) can accept that actually people are usually NOT women (yet) when they first get into prostitution, then we would be a lot further along the road to the truth about the whole sorry business.