To think the use of prostitutes just isn't that big a deal?

@Elsiebear90
Why would rape be like theft? Rape is like slavery. If you meet a woman in the park and you offer her money to come back to your house and do your ironing for you that's fine. You have bought her consent. If you force her into domestic servitude that is a very serious matter much more serious than deprivation of money. That is modern day slavery. Slavery is quite rightly reviled around the world.

@CSIblonde
The stats don't show that for Britain. What people do is look at research on drug-addicted street prostitutes and pretend that it applies to all prostitutes. In Rachel Moran's book Paid For she states that a Ruhama report says that 38% of Irish prostitutes have attempted suicide. If you read this Ruhama report they say this figure comes from a study by Ann-Marie O’Connor in 1994.

If you look at the study it says nothing about suicide. This statistic is found on a different study by Ann-Marie O’Connor and others published in 1999 which is research on a small group of drug-addicted street prostitutes in a part of Dublin. They had numerous problems, drug addiction, street prostitution and arrest of themselves and family members.

So Ruhama are liars, they are hiding the truth. I can give you other examples. Street prostitutes have only ever been a small fraction of prostitutes, no more than 10%.

@Muminabun
I have more compassion and empathy because I am prepared to look behind the false statistics. People who tweet a statistic they like without checking it don't have compassion and empathy. I know they think they do but they're just getting caught up in a drama. So I have an in-depth knowledge of prostitution in Britain and Ireland.

How do you know that I'm not doing it already? And if I'm not doing it it might be to do with the police arresting women who work together for safety as if they were pimps? This happens in Britain, Ireland and Sweden despite sex workers being supposedly decriminalized in Ireland and Sweden.

I disagree that it perpetuates the idea that women’s bodies are a commodity. Yes, some men have that awful disgusting attitude, and try to manipulate sex workers. But in other cases it’s actually empowering, has nothing to do with self respect and it’s just somebody (remember not to assume that all prostitutes are female) making money off somebody else’s desperation, for lack of a better word.

I agree with you. No different to paying for premium sex services online (like onlyfans or private snapchat). I think the word prostitution makes people think of underage immigrants who turn to sex work out of desperation and a life on the streets. But it’s not always like that! What about people who want some extra income, recognise that there are people out there willing to pay for sex/sexual content, and thus a business agreement takes place? How is that wrong?

If sex is just a “service” is rape just “theft” then? Think about what you’re saying.

All the research & stats show that the majority of sex workers are mostly doing it because they have an addiction or are trafficked. That's not OK.

You speak about these women in incredibly cold terms op. As if they are objects. I think you need to focus on yourself in terms of your own compassion and empathy and your understanding of prostitution. You don’t seem to have an understanding of any complexity in prostitution. Would you do it? If not why not? I suggest you start from there and then make up your mind about how you really feel for these
women.

@h3av3n
There's a lot to what you have said, but you have been told lies when you have been told 'they usually do as they wish to them'.

They're not having sex because they want to, they're doing it for money...that is not true consent and also what about the mans actions? He is having sex with a woman who he knows isn't doing it because she wants to, he's viewing women as commodities and objects to purchase and the fact is that this affects women and girls in an awful way. Also a huge number of them ARE trafficked or being exploited by a pimp, this is just reality! Plus the abuse and rape they endure, a man who views a woman as something to purchase the use of does not respect that woman and they usually do as they wish to them

@nevertoomuchmarmite
I agree. It is a service, the difference being that the man has to pay in cash up front and he's not going to get any of the money back if he's not happy with the service. None of this invoice me and you might get the money in 30 days.

There's a brothel in Ellesmere Port where the man isn't allowed to see the woman before he's parted with money. He's not allowed to see if he fancies her before paying. He can pay £10 just to see her and that's deducted from the total if he decides to stay. He won't get the money back if he walks out.

Also there's one woman there who doesn't like men ejaculating inside her even though he has to use a regular condom. So she'll tell him she wants him to ejaculate outside her body. They can tell the man what they will and won't accept.

Lots of misogynists, most of them sadly women. like to frame sex work as ‘buying a woman’s body’ because they think woman are objects who can be bought and sold.

What’s actually happening is women are selling a service. This does not affect or compromise their rights over their own bodies, or their bodily autonomy.

Women should be able to engage in sex work in a way which is safe, legal, and gives them the full protection of the law.

No way could I be with a man who had ever used prostitutes, the thought makes me sick.

Apart from anything else, what does that say about their understanding of female desire? That it simply doesn't matter?

We absolutely wouldn't be on the same page in bed. Not to mention they'd technically be a rapist in my opinion.

"It is buying a woman's body.

Think about that for a minute."

I have thought about it. I think it is very silly to say that prostitution is buying a woman's body. How is it buying a woman's body? A man isn't buying a woman's body, he's buying a service. Just like any service you have to pay for it. A taxi driver isn't going to consent to driving you unless money was involved. It's a serious matter if you force someone to work for you without consent or payment: modern day slavery.
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Well that tells you much of whats been relaised that prostitiuton is inflicted on the poor and destitute in order to survive in lot of the world and i sadley expect that its not going to improve as soon as we might like:(

Appropro of one poster re nationality and that counties possibility of being trafficked I have no figures on thet but quick look at one of the largest sites in the UK the Londonescortguide shows a breakdown of nationality working here this is just a small sample and snapshot and not all countries are noted but these seem to have the largest number of women involved.

Russia - 997
Romainia -328

England 345
China 90
Hungary 147
Bulgaria 40
Brazil 379
Italy 309
France 63
Germany 64
Greece 48
Spain 276

The figure for China is i think not accurate as all the others were searched for by nationality excpet that China was not listed so searched under languages spoken.

I was going to do the same for the notorious Adultwork site but I think that i've done what i can on this for now!

And Drabarni I made a start on that vid but have been distracted by other things but it looks very disturbing thus far!

Not sure if this has been posted but thought it might be of interest.

nordicmodelnow.org/myths-about-prostitution/myth-sex-work-is-healing-for-men/

It is rape.

I couldn't be with someone who had been to a prostitute.

I feel pretty sure that for every woman who enjoys shagging to earn quick money there are dozens of women who feel that there’s nowhere left to turn in order to put food on their or their families’ plates.
As PPs have already said, sex is not a right.
Yes, I appreciate that there are people who struggle to have sex and I’m genuinely sorry for them but prostitution isn’t the right remedy . Though I’m at a loss as to the right way.

Justaboy, no worries, it was clear you were telling us the story as it was told to you. I didn’t assume you were in any way involved first hand and your posts didn’t upset me or offend me but I wanted to say that my personal view is that not a whole country can be categorised in a certain way.
And the accounts are very sad.
My point was that we can’t assume an entire population is a certain way based on first hand accounts we hear about a certain topic. Whether they are Romanian, Spanish, French, Malaysian or whatever.
It probably comes down to local poverty, lack of family care and morals, lack of education, lack of experience and shared wisdom, lack of information and safety awareness, idealised views on different parts of the world, lack of action from local governments against organised crime and a lot of other factors. Regardless, the fact remains that lots of girls and women are being trafficked across the globe.
The Romanians, Russians, Latvians, Hungarians etc I have personally met (which I believe to be more representative of the local population) were in no way inclined to such activities. Funnily enough, one mentioned that it’s interesting how in some layers of society they have conflicted views about British men because the ‘big’ stories in the local press about predatory men and local children always involved British men over the years. Go figure!
Perception, personal experience and accounts of events do shape our views of certain cultures and countries. Mine, at present, are a bit different than yours and, of course, that can change over time for both of us.

ActualHornist OK lets all enjoy the wind this night!!!

Totally agree OP.

Fuck sake.

NO. that was for OP. not so

@Justaboy so that was for OP! Sorry I should have tagged her.

OP I'm not getting at you at all but what I'm getting from your responses, perhaps without you even realising it, that like a lot of people, you see women as falling into two categories: the good kind like you who would never sell your body even though you've had your own difficult times, and the ones who turn to prostitution.
You pay lipservice to not judging them but actually you think THAT kind of women are ok for men to buy because they're lesser, it's not ok for men to buy women like you or your daughter because you are the good kind.
That's internalised misogyny. You may not see it in yourself but it's sadly very common.