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To think the use of prostitutes just isn't that big a deal?

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Hihothedairyo · 05/02/2020 11:40

Now here me out first, I do not mean married men who use prostitutes without the knowledge/consent of their wives/partners. Those are scum, I have been cheated on in that way before so believe me when I say I do not agree with that.

However, I've seen and heard a lot of people (including friends of mine) who believe that men in general who use prostitutes are scum.

Personally, I think that, provided you are sure the person you are having sex with is not being trafficked, then you are really just two consenting adults having sex. Yes there is money exchanged, but nobody is forcing the sex worker to do this job (in this scenario, I know that DOES happen).

Should a person who's say, 30 years old and still a virgin, and now feels their too old and too inexperienced to go out and find a woman to have sex with them, not be able to use a service that a woman is willingly providing? What about someone with some form of disability that wants sex but doesn't have the confidence or whatever to get it normally?

I've got a good friend who lost his virginity to a prostitute, and has visited them a few other times also. He's in a happy relationship now and does not use them and never has while in any relationship. I don't feel that him having used them was wrong, but he is not open about having used them at all and I'm pretty sure his partner doesn't know that he ever has.

I just feel there is far too much judgement and hate towards people who are, in reality, just doing something that has been done since time began. And I see no wrong in it, I imagine I'm in the minority here though.

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yabadabadontdoit · 05/02/2020 18:37

Interested to know where you are OP. You write about corner shops and use the phrase “a few quid” , which I would think is very British (apologies if I’m wrong on that) but have no knowledge of the UK benefits system?

NameChange84 · 05/02/2020 18:35

Why have you not responded about what country you live in?

If it’s Ireland or most other EU countries paying out a similar amount the £200 a week figure is based upon what you have already paid into the system in National Insurance. If you haven’t paid it, you aren’t entitled to it.

Hihothedairyo · 05/02/2020 18:33

gypsywater can you stop making up scenarios about my life in your head please? It's getting old. I don't hate them at all, I just believe it's anyone's only choice. If you'd actually bothered to read what iv said, I said I completely understand how they get to that place, but I don't believe that was their only option. I'm not going to respond to you anymore though because you're intent on dismissing my opinion one way or another

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NameChange84 · 05/02/2020 18:33

In the UK you get around £73 per week as a jobseeker. That is after a standard 5 week wait. The government can loan you a month in advance but as soon as you get your first £73 you have to pay back the money you are already a month in arrears with. Benefits can be sanctioned for many minor reasons and then you might have to go through the five week wait again to get them reinstated. Thousands of people have died as a direct result of Universal Credit since it was introduced. It’s been well publicised.

LittleSweet · 05/02/2020 18:33

Winesalot, I had an abusive boyfriend when I was a teenager and he used to rape me a lot. So I think I do tend to think of sex for a prostitute is a bodily function kind of thing, something someone can completely disassociate from. I used to, as it was my way of dealing with him, and a lot easier than saying no. You don't even need to feel turned on for the sex to work biologically, your body just does it. The only difference was I didn't get paid.

But I was vulnerable because I have abusive parents. But that paved the way for me to believe my body was just there for other people. I noticed that on the Louis Theroux documentary, two of the women had been abused in the past.

gypsywater · 05/02/2020 18:32

Genuine question btw, no hate

gypsywater · 05/02/2020 18:31

Is your hatred for sex workers due to having been cheated on with one, OP? Cos your clearly have a lot of hate towards them that you're not hiding too well.

Hihothedairyo · 05/02/2020 18:27

Pumperthepumper did I say they were refusing it? Where exactly did I say that, point it out to me please. What I said was you get enough money to get by, if you decide to then turn to prostitution, that's on you.

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gypsywater · 05/02/2020 18:26

Is the bottom line not: what kind of man wants to buy the consent of a tremendously likely extremely damaged woman? When they know that she does not actually wish to have sex with him. But is being paid to pretend to. This is not a nice man, nor a man with any shred of human decency and compassion.

Creweneck · 05/02/2020 18:22

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Pumperthepumper · 05/02/2020 18:22

We do, yes. Which country are you in that people are refusing free money, no strings attached, in order to work as prostitutes?

Ronnie27 · 05/02/2020 18:22

I think they’re all losers who have to pay for a bit of attention tbh. Grin

FudgeBrownie2019 · 05/02/2020 18:21

I would really, really like to know the number of women who choose to be sex workers versus the number who are bribed, coerced, forced or manipulated into it. Really, I would. Because in my head I imagine that the number of women who've chosen it would be vastly lower than those who've been forced and until the numbers are weighted in the opposite direction, I can't ever feel relaxed about the fact that some men feel that they're able to use money and power to buy something that shouldn't ever be bought.

AngelsSins · 05/02/2020 18:20

They guy gets what he wants (sexual acts), the women gets what she wants (easy cash)

You think risking your personal safety to have sex you don’t want with men you aren’t attracted to is “easy cash”?

Hihothedairyo · 05/02/2020 18:19

Pumperthepumper do you really not have social welfare in the UK?

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Winesalot · 05/02/2020 18:19

The act of giving money, is buying someone, but if I pay a psychiatrist for an hour of their time it isn't different, but it is different at the same time.

This is very different unless you reduce allowing somebody to penetrate your body to being functional, without you needing any arousal to be able to perform such a function or if you find pleasure in this type of transactional sex.

Buying 'someone's' time as a professional service such as a pysch does not require intimate penetration of that person's body, they are in a safe environment and are sharing their knowledge with no physical contact. It is in no way the same except it is providing a 'service' for payment.

MimiLaRue · 05/02/2020 18:18

provided you are sure the person you are having sex with is not being trafficked

This statement is so ignorant I dont even know where to begin.You do realise the levels of coercion and abuse that are used to keep women in this trade? and no, there is no way to "tell" whom has been coerced and who hasn't because they aren't allowed to tell anyone for fear of brutal reprisals. Would you tell a punter you dont want to have sex with them if you know you'll get beaten to within an inch of your life for doing so?
No, I thought not. Women who go into this profession are usually desperate and vulnerable. Forget the stupid TV programmes you have seen about smart, independent women who have lots of other options choosing to be high class call girls- thats largely a fantasy to justify a tv programme featuring prostitution. No girl goes to their career advisor at school and says they have aspirations to be a prostitute because its what they've always dreamt of.
That isn't the reality for the majority of women in this trade.

Mittens030869 · 05/02/2020 18:17

I recently read about the Yorkshire Ripper murders and I was horrified at the way the media differentiated between the victims that that were prostitutes and those that were 'good girls'. It was really chilling for me, especially as the only reason why my DSis and I didn't end up where they were, as SA survivors, was that we didn't run away from home. (We grew up during that period.)

The vitriol that those victims suffered because they ended up in prostitution was horrific.

NameChange84 · 05/02/2020 18:17

What country is this exactly?

AngelsSins · 05/02/2020 18:17

Personally, I think that, provided you are sure the person you are having sex with is not being trafficked, then you are really just two consenting adults having sex

And what percentage of men do you think do their research and make sure the woman hasn’t be trafficked/forced? That point always seems to get brushed over.

Pumperthepumper · 05/02/2020 18:16

Wait, in your country, people are turning their noses up at free money, no strings attached, to become prostitutes? Why is that?

Also, what county is this?

Hihothedairyo · 05/02/2020 18:16

DuLANGMondeFOREVER
Thank you for not being rude and for educating rather than ridiculing. I'm glad you're in a better place now

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Melroses · 05/02/2020 18:15

What I noticed about the prostitutes the Ipswich serial killer murdered is that,in addition to being beautiful young women, they were all apparently drug addicts.

Or they were working to fund their boyfriend's addiction.Sad

Hihothedairyo · 05/02/2020 18:15

Firstly, I don't know about the UK, but where I am atleast, if you don't have money, you can claim over 200 quid a week, and that's without children. While that's being sorted, if you truly have nothing and can prove this, you will be given enough to get by until it all goes through. There are also cash in hand jobs, again where I am, loads of corner shops pay their workers off the books.

Maybe the UK is just shit, but over here, there is no 'it was my only choice', it may have been your best choice. But it wasn't your only one.

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Endeavour1971 · 05/02/2020 18:13

I'm with the minority on this; Ive known several women who do it for extra cash, and whilst they don't love doing it, they are very willing and consenting. They guy gets what he wants (sexual acts), the women gets what she wants (easy cash). Everyone's happy and no harm done

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