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AIBU to give you an update re Church noise?

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alittlequinnie · 06/09/2019 08:06

I am not sure if you remember my original thread but I asked people to let me know what would be considered reasonable in relation to noise levels of living next door to a Church.

The thread gathered pace and I left it just before we had a meeting with the Council, the Methodist Church members and the Seventh Day Adventist Members.

Just to let you all know that the meeting went ahead on Friday. The Methodist Minister didn't actually manage to get any representatives from the Seventh Day Adventists to the meeting - he said that he had been waiting for a letter from the Council before asking them. However, he sees them every single Saturday and the meeting has been booked for about 6 weeks so I am not sure why he found it so difficult to verbally tell them.

So there was just my DH and I, the Methodist Minister we deal with, the Council lady and one other Minister (higher up) from the Methodist Church.

Basically we all put our findings - which was mostly my DH and I because we are ones moaning.

There was no defence to the noise - just putting facts really. The Methodist Minister we speak with is a bit of a drip and didn't really have any solutions.

The Council however said that they were just here to fact gather and to see if a solution could be found through mediation.

She did mention that when there is a noise nuisance they usually monitor the property making the noise at the border. This means that any noise leakage at the border can be considered a nuisance.

Obviously the noise is leaking over their border, over our border and into our house so we feel cautiously optimistic that they are breaching "something".

The plan is as follows:

  • We continue to monitor for another 6 weeks now the meeting has taken place to see if any improvement.

*We give a copy of our findings to the Methodist Minister every Sunday so that he can speak with the Seventh Day Adventists about the issues to see what he can do.

*Somebody from the SDA's to come over to our house and give us name and contact number so we can speak with them directly if there is a particular issue

  • Review after 6 weeks.

First Saturday of the 6 weeks was the one just gone. Absolutely no improvement whatsoever - we could hear the lyrics of the hymns they were singing in our bedroom still.

Also we gave the copy of the noise diary to the Minister but nobody from SDA's came over to our house to give us contact details.

Will keep plugging at it but not sure how effective it is to have had the meeting when the SDA's were not there - so frustrating for the Methodist Minister not to manage to do this simple thing!

I'm going to now start to tackle the terrible parking to see if that helps the situation at all. I feel if there are less cars piled on the double yellows, pedestrian crossing, accross my garage and on the zig zag lines there may be less people milling around all together?

Who knows!

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MrsFezziwig · 06/09/2019 13:13

Baffled at some posters’ idiocy - when the OP reposts with an UPDATE (yes, the clue’s in the name) would you not think if you’re interested enough to post - “oh, the OP has posted a link to the original thread, maybe I’ll read that before I make a twat of myself.”
No, because some people feel they are so busy and important that they couldn’t possibly spend 5 minutes reading a couple of threads, so they’re quite happy to distress someone who is already at the end of their tether.
So, for the hard of understanding, we are not talking about a few hymns and tinkly bells. We are talking about noise that if made by a nightclub would probably cause its licence to be withdrawn.
OP, your update was not what I was hoping for. These people give religion a bad name. Good luck going forward.

Katinski · 06/09/2019 13:09

I remember your thread,OP, and I'm so sorry that this is still an ongoing issue. Good luck.Flowers

For those who have chimed in without rtft, although there was a link to it - perhaps a tick to confirm you've read the thread and understand the issues here? Hmm

Phineyj · 06/09/2019 13:08

This has probably been said already but have you had a solicitor write both the landlord and the renters a cease and desist letter? You don't need the council to agree it's a nuisance. It clearly is a nuisance.

WhyBirdStop · 06/09/2019 13:08

@Herocomplex
From the OP
we could hear the lyrics of the hymns they were singing

FWIW I did read the original thread, and there are elements to this worthy of complaint. I don't feel the above is one of them. It's like moving next to a pub that only opened in the evening, shuts by ten/maybe eleven, full of old men in flat caps, no music etc. Then it gets taken over, serves food, open seven days a week, plays music, suddenly busier and noisier, I'm not saying it wouldn't be irritating but it's a risk you take buying next to a pub. The OP has taken the decline in religious observance and people rarely using the church and when they do in small numbers, as a given. It's not, all businesses need to survive whether that's a pub or a church, even a church needs enough money to stay open. As I said the parking and loitering in the street making noise (if after 11pm) is worthy of complaint. The rest is what it is.

alittlequinnie · 06/09/2019 13:05

For reference the street is really narrow - only about 1.5 car width wide.

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alittlequinnie · 06/09/2019 13:04

I am going to attempt to upload a diagram to show the road layout...

AIBU to give you an update re Church noise?
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alittlequinnie · 06/09/2019 13:00

To answer all the queries re other neighbours - our road layout is so strange. There are only two houses on the road - along with the Church. It is a teeny tiny little cul de sac. Our house starts at the corner and then goes right down the very end of the road - our house is an end terrace and we have NO back wall or back rooms - all of our windows, doors etc face the Church.

The other neighbours complain to the Methodist Minister all the time but are not so good at wanting to go through the correct channels.

They finally complained formally to the Council but for some reason the Council lady did not have a note of their complaint and did not invite them to the meeting. My neighbour has now emailed the Council lady her complaint reference.

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Herocomplex · 06/09/2019 12:55

I think the Methodist Minister is probably keen not to lose the payment he’s getting from the SDA’s.

ChippingInLowCarbing · 06/09/2019 12:46

Anyone eyeing clearly didn’t read your original thread!!

Calling him ‘wet’ was generous I’d be calling him FAR worse than that!!

I really hope this leads to a satisfactory outcome for you! There would already be bodies under the patio if I were you!

alittlequinnie · 06/09/2019 12:44

*amplified!

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alittlequinnie · 06/09/2019 12:43

If they are parking illegally that's one thing, but complaining about hymns being sung in a church!!! WTF. MN jumped the shark.

What about when the hymns are amplied to a level that you can hear the words of them INSIDE your house?

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Ciwirocks · 06/09/2019 12:41

I feel your pain op and am following this thread. We live backed onto a church which has also recently started Friday night and Sunday morning services which are way beyond normal church noises. They have massive amplifiers that blast out the singing for hours and it’s really not pleasant. I don’t know how anyone could even stand to be in the building and I just don’t understand why it needs to be so loud. Luckily as it is at the back of us we are not too disturbed at the front but trying to sleep after a night shift is impossible.

Herocomplex · 06/09/2019 12:33

WhyBirdStop I think you must be on the wrong thread. This one’s about a noise and parking nuisance, not hymns.

Circe32 · 06/09/2019 12:33

Jizzle

RTFT

WhyBirdStop · 06/09/2019 12:28

If they are parking illegally that's one thing, but complaining about hymns being sung in a church!!! WTF. MN jumped the shark.

Xenia · 06/09/2019 12:24

4 or 5 hours of socialising outside the church after a service is utterly unacceptable. Is there a way to stop them - eg play amplified music of your own religion or atheism at them so their ears are blasted and they cannot hear to talk to each other? Or walk up and down with a "There is no God" placard or invite another local religious group to come down every time there is a service and preach to them outside to try to convert them over to the other one true religion and that kind of thing?

alittlequinnie · 06/09/2019 12:06

Hi there

Thank you all so much for your really helpful replies.

I have still got the links from the first thread and one of them has given me a Methodist Minister who is quite high up. I will be writing to him to inform him of the issues and tell him what has gone on.

Although it isn't brilliant progress this is the FIRST time in four years we have got the Council to talk to us, and the Church together to at least highlight the issue.

At the meeting on Friday the Council did have all the history of the various complaints over the last four years - BUT she said they had all been closed as there had been no further issues after 4 weeks (?!)

I called the Methodist Minister a bit "wet" which may have been unkind but he has been informed of the issue a hundred times, given photographs, recordings and attended 4 separate meetings - at no point has he been able to offer any solutions and what he actually "does" is stand outside for an hour every Saturday "monitoring" the noise - he then decides all by himself without asking anybody else that it is okay and trundles off home.

I have offered again and again that he comes in and listens from inside. He just wants to forget all about it to be honest and not deal with it.

Re the other Minister - he did give his name and place in the Church - he basically just listened and I gave him photos, a noise diary and other bits and pieces to take away with him.

We DO monitor the level of the sound. We have a decibel metre and we film it while the service is going on. We also do this with the 4-5 hours of socialising outside after the service.

The Council DID mention noise limiters and monitoring of noise but as this is their first meeting with us we feel that we should just follow on for now and "do as we are told".

For clarity - I get the impression that the Methodist Minister didn't actually let the SDAs know that they should be attending the meeting rather than they didn't want to attend.

There are so many queries on this thread it's hard to answer them all but I am really trying.

We have stepped up the noise monitoring in that we are putting the decibel level next to each entry and including a photo of the crowds and the time and the level of noise.

I won't be phoning 999 on anybody that is parked on the zig zags somebody linked me to the information I needed to report the parking on the last thread and I will follow this.

If it excuses me, I've been really ill since the meeting and only got into action today.

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PassMeAnotherCoffee · 06/09/2019 11:44

It sounds exhausting OP. I did read your first thread.
Good luck with it.

popehilarious · 06/09/2019 11:35

OP I don't know how you've put up with this for 4 years. It's not even remotely acceptable. There was good advice in the previous thread too, it's time to really fight this.

DontSufferInSilence · 06/09/2019 11:32

All I can say is how very Christian of all the christians! Completely missing the point of christianity here.

Isnt all the wailing about being considerate and kind people, about forgiving and helping those that are suffering not ignoring and increasing the suffering

LouMumsnet · 06/09/2019 11:21

Morning everyone. For those asking, OP's original thread is here.

Thanks all.

DishingOutDone · 06/09/2019 11:21

OP I have read every post on both threads. This thread, like your noise nuisance issue, is going nowhere. On the last thread you were given some good advice on how to escalate your complaint. Now you are updating that you've been told to make a note of the issues for 6 weeks. They literally saw you coming. I don't think your DH is clever and knows all the laws, and I think this is going to continue until you educate yourself, use the internet to find things out and involve your MP, the Methodist board and a formal complaint against the local authority - rather than have a chat about it on a forum.

Littlemissdaredevil · 06/09/2019 11:15

Can you push the council to install monitoring equipment at the boundary. You will then have hard evidence that they are causing a statutory noise nuisance and the council will have to act.

DriftingLeaves · 06/09/2019 11:08

The SA won't give a shit, OP. They believe they are doing God's work and that's that. It's the Methodists you need to go for. Threaten to sue unless they stop their tenants making this racket.

Juells · 06/09/2019 11:02

If you have the phone numbers (landline and mobile) of the Methodist minister you should start phoning him in the night when you're being kept awake with the noise. Even better, if you know where he lives go round there and bang on his door. It's what I'd do, but I accept I'm aggressive as fuck when it comes to noise.

I live in a terraced house and can hear people going up and down the stairs, running showers etc., all those sounds are completely acceptable and part of everyday life. There's a huge difference between ordinary day-to-day noise that people make and the kind of noise the OP is putting up with.