AIBU to give you an update re Church noise?

The Methodist Minister needs to address this. If he doesn't then can you go further up in the Methodist church? They mustn't rent it to such dreadful tenants. Surely this would break the tenancy agreement? I would record and put on YouTube/Facebook for a start. Also record you going in and having to shout to members of the congregation. You need to get serious and make life more difficult for the Minister as he is not listening. Goodness I'd be tempted to camp outside his house playing music the same volume. I say this as a church goer.

Gowgow this has already been suggested

As an atheist, I find the actions of these so-called Christians appalling - Methodist & 7da alike.

Love thy neighbour ?

FWIW, the Council & Methodist Minister are possibly frightened to act in case they are accused of racism.

I was so ready to jump at you being massively unreasonable....then I read your second message in the original post. You're putting up with far more than is acceptable (when it used to be completely normal church noise.)

They're not acting very Christian, are they?

Have you thought of getting a very large black dog, called Satan, and teaching it to bark at them??

@randomchatter "It seems you've moved next door unaware of the potential for noise or the SDAs Sunday service is a recent event?"

If you read the thread you'll find that the SDAs is a recent event and OP has lived in the same house for a significant period of time with no problem. But then OP has repeatedly made that clear all the way through this thread.

It seems you've moved next door unaware of the potential for noise or the SDAs Sunday service is a recent event? What's your solution to your noise problem, are you wanting them to sound-proof the church? Change opening hours ?

Whilst getting the council to enforce parking restrictions will reduce car noise, you'll still have similar levels of congregation chatter outside the church - is this acceptable?

I don't think it reasonable to expect similar noise restrictions from this sort of building to say a family home but appreciate other people's sounds penetrating your home is a annoying.

The irony of the last two posts being right next to each other is stunning ...

Really? It's a church what do you expect. If you don't like living next to a church move.

It’s such a shame that people feel the need to comment before they have a full understanding of the facts of the situation.

I do hope you get this resolved. I would seek to find someone more senior within the Methodist circuit to deal with. Your Methodist minister seems to be out of his depth.

Best wishes

Re the diagram- OP have you contacted the people in the terrace behind you? Presumably they can also hear the noise and a few extra numbers to the complaints might get things sorted quicker.

Nothing useful to add to the excellent advice others have given but I just wanted to add my sympathy and support. Try to keep going with this complaint process. I hope it helps knowing that we are all on your side.

If you are treated in a way that is intimidating or aggressive when you raise perfectly legitimate complaints with the church users, I think you should consider calling 101 to get it logged.

Good luck, I hope you see some progress soon.

God OP I'm so very sorry for you haveing to put up with this abuse as that is what it is. These loopy 7th day adventists i'd ask them would they put up with that racket where they live would they like som other bunch of loopy freaks to make that noise near them? of bloody course they wouldnt.

This medhodist minister sounds like a wet haddock, seems like that old wally Vicar in Dads Army.

If it were me there i'd have probally taken direct action one way or the other, its not right what has happened and is still happning!.

This shower should be "worshipping" if thats what they call it on an industrial estate somewhere on the outskirts of town

Best of luck hope you get it resolved:)

Hi OP, I remember your first thread.
Sorry it's still going on, you must be beaten down by it all.
I hope following some channels of complaint helps you make some progress. I wonder if it would help to 'recruit' a friend/family member to help you with this, it's so hard when you're exhausted & fed up.
Best of luck.

I find myself hoping this hasn't informed the Council and Minister's reluctance to act ...

You wouldn't be alone.

OP has been accused of being racist as most of the congregation are black

I find myself hoping this hasn't informed the Council and Minister's reluctance to act ...

I agree I'd go nuclear at this point. Rent an amp. Amplify the most obscene music at a higher volume than them during every single service. Turn the hose on them when they're outside your garden- let them call the police, nothing much would happen, you might just get a caution. At least someone would have to listen to you! Invite your local hell's angels round for a BBQ during their services, get them to block the roads with their motorbikes.
You need to make it absolutely intolerable for them.

This is their complaints procedure from their website. It tells them how to submit complaints, but I suppose it gives some idea of who/what level etc they want things done. I hope that if you follow their own procedure you might at least get an acknowledgement.

adventist.uk/fileadmin/shared-data/resources/executive-secretary/BUC-Policy-Section-09-Complaints-Procedure-2018-06.pdf

I lurked on your first thread. I'm shocked at the attitude from both churches.

Write to your MP. Talk to a solicitor.

Good luck.

Try contacting the SDA head office in St.Albans. Contact details here

After 4 years I’d either be in court sharpish or be knocking on the door of no 10 with a petition. Oh maybe not no 10 right now, eh - I think they may be a bit busy and in a fluster ! ?

I've been on church councils and complaints form neighbours about noise are fairly standard - but then we were also under obligation to take them seriously and to ensure we were being good neighbours.

It's fairly easy to weed out the reasonable vs unreasonable complaints, and it sounds like the Methodist Minister is being useless at dealing with this. To be fair, not everyone can have both the skills to be a good religious leader (e.g. be both teaching and pastoral care) and also the skills to run a reasonable size organisation with financial, building and HR issues AND deal with external issues. If it was the CofE I would suggest getting hold of the Church Wardens who often fill in a lot of organisational support. But if you are involving the Chair or Superintendent of the Methodist district, then it sounds like its gone beyond the dealing of the local (lay) Church Officers.

I'm sorry to be dramatic but surely this is torture?! This is your HOME for goodness sake. You've been more than reasonable for four years now, could you not go nuclear? Papers? Local MP? There must be something you can do beyond the useless council and Methodist guy.

I suspect the Methodist minister is deafened by the rent money. Perhaps he is stuffing pounds in his ears?

Less sarcastically, It wouldn’t surprise me if the rent money is needed to keep the church afloat. The minister is probably in a tough position.

That still doesn’t excuse the behavior the OP has described in the original thread. As soon as she detailed what was happening, I knew what kind of church it was going to be. There are some congregations that take the “joyful noise” passage very seriously. So seriously that they present a real nuisance to everyone in the area.

I nominate this thread for having the highest number of hard of thinking posters

Good luck OP. There is some good advice above, sprinkled amongst those who choose not to read and understand your actual situation!