AIBU to give you an update re Church noise?

At the end of the day, it is neither here nor there whether the SDA's attended the meeting. The methodist minister is the one who holds the power to do something about this - either to install the noise monitoring equipment which acts as a circuit breaker if it is tripped, or to give them notice as they are presumably in breach of the terms of their lease. He's the one who is profiting from them being there, and he isn't dealing with the fallout from it.

Perhaps you could suggest a house swap with him for a while? You go and live in the manse whilst he lives at yours?

And there's no excuse whatever for parking on the 'pedestrian crossing, accross my garage and on the zig zag lines '

I really hoped for a better update OP, I am sorry. Keep pushing this.

@Aannnaa you have no idea what you’re talking about. No idea. You have no idea of the level of noise, disruption and abuse OP has put up with for three years. And YES, actually, the SDA church DID spring up overnight while OP was already living there happily!

I’m so sorry OP. You are being incredibly patient - I’m utterly enraged on your behalf (also by the handful of idiotic posters here bleating on about church bells, which is clearly nothing like the situation you’re in).

And parking all over doubleyellow lines , is it allowed on a Sunday?

You mean Saturday, it's the seventh day Adventists who are the problem, not the Methodists.

Double yellow lines mean no waiting at any time, unless there are signs that specifically indicate seasonal restrictions. The times at which the restrictions apply for other road markings are shown on nearby plates or on entry signs to controlled parking zones. If no days are shown on the signs, the restrictions are in force every day including Sundays and Bank Holidays.

Thanks for the update OP, I was wondering.

YANBU at all - good luck.

Op, I'd be really concerned that they suggested sending a SDA to your home based on the way you have been verbally abused by these people before. Your home is your safe space, they should just be giving you a phone number for someone higher up the SDA than anyone using the building adjacent to you so you can phone them up and tell them to rein in their church every time it gets loud. What they've done is given the SDAs scope to come and be aggressive to you in your home. The methodist minister is a dead loss isn't he?

The Methodist minister sounds really pathetic. He clearly didn’t even tell the SDAs about the meeting. But what about his boss, the higher-up Methodist who attended the meeting-did he/she have anything useful to add?

Sounds like the bottom line is that the Methodists are not willing to do anything that will threaten the income they get from the rental. How sad that cash is displacing the basic Christian principle of Love Thy Neighbour.

Why are the Council not interested in at least tackling the parking? Councils are usually all over parking infringements.

You must be so frustrated. Is it worth joining the Methodist congregation to see if the Minister suddenly steps up for you when you become one of his “flock”?

Ah OP I followed your previous thread and am sorry to hear that there has not been much progress. The fact that they didn't show up at the meeting just proves that they know they are in the wrong and completely out of order. Hopefully the council will be able to sort this out for you. Good luck OP. Sounds like you are going to need it.

The council have a duty to investigate this. A statutory duty. Id say they were failing in this duty. I said it on your last thread, but I'd be going to the ombudsman. The council can do a number of things that they're just not doing. They can monitor the noise with recording equipment installed in your home. They can come out and personally witness the nuisance. Once they've done that they have a duty to take action.

Therefore, I would contact the council and tell them that you feel as though they are not carrying out their duties as per the Environmental Protection Act. Ask them to investigate. Not just offer mediation. Mediation can be used, but usually after a nuisance has been established.

Nuisance ls legally defined.

I'd also start proceedings for your own action under the EPA. Which is actually fairly easy and interestingly has a lower burden of proof.

I'd also stop meeting with the church at this point. And take everything formally.

There is much you can do. I hope this resolves.

Why not update the original thread?

Because people just read the first post and can't be arsed to read the rest.

'I grew up in the Country and love the smell of muck spreading. But both of these things are entirely irrelevant to the OP’s post.'

This has tickled me!

Why not update the original thread?

Believe what you like princess - bells at St Marks start at 4am and ring every fifteen minutes. Bells at Streen mark the hour 24/7 and have a service peel 4 times a day

Oh fgs, a church clock is not the same as bells ringing "all day every day" And it's certainly not the same as the OP's situation.

Everyone who can't be arsed to read the previous thread.

The OP lives next door to a Methodist church. She has never had an issue with the Methodists' use of the church.

The Methodists have now sublet to a 7DA church. THE OP WAS THERE BEFORE THE 7DAs,

The 7DAs services are heavily amplified and intrusively noisy and congregants park dangerously and without consideration.

She is struggling to get the Methodist landlord to take responsibility for their tenants.

It's all there in the other thread.

Graveyards are usually attached to churches though so how exactly will this snide comment help the op sunflowers?

I lived next to an Abbey @Aannnaa, that's a lot of services and lots of bell ringing practice. Their bells marked time every 15 mins 24 hours a day, this was fine. After a while you barely notice it. The OPs noise complaint is completely different, they have a very legitimate cause for complaint.

I read your original post OP, what painfully slow progress.

Doesn’t seem unreasonable to me and it’s a real shame the right people weren’t there.

I’m wondering something though. If the level of decibels is 56, inside your house, there’s a good chance they are breaching acceptable levels inside the church. H&S says at 80 decibels the law says you must provide guidance and training for people do at 85 you must provide protection. Has any measurement been done in there? That might be a kind of roundabout way to deal with some of the issue.

Cars idling is illegal, did you get the police involved there? Similarly if they are blocking crossings and pavements or causing nuisance at 5am, that should be dealt with. Apologies if that was raised in the other thread, I haven’t had the time to read it all yet. I’m just wondering if repeated complaints to the police had made a difference if they happened.

I grew up near a church and love the sound of church bells

I grew up in the Country and love the smell of muck spreading. But both of these things are entirely irrelevant to the OP’s post.

slippery that made me laugh. Know what you mean and agree with you but I had immediate vision of their ‘god’ ‘above’ as their ‘higher up’ surely?!

Glad you're making progress - 7DA really aren't helping themselves are they? Fortunately their failure to engage is helping you.

Isnt there some sort of hierarchy in the Methodist church? Someone you can complain to higher up?

I'm sorry you have had only slow progress OP and hope further evidence gathering is fruitful.

It sounds like hell to live with.

Surely they will ban amplified music, there are no amplified calls to prayer (Muslim) in the U.K. as far as I know. In the ME it is deafening, in fact I think some church bells have been banned.
And parking all over doubleyellow lines , is it allowed on a Sunday?

I can completely understand how you're feeling OP.

We have different in that we have new neighbours who are horrendously noisy. Weekends involve loud music blaring out from their new patio which faces our house; cars coming in and out at all hours and him standing on his drive like Dom Joly on his mobile. It's a "party" house full of 50 year olds who think they are the Inbetweeners. I'd laugh if it wasn't so tragic.

We've lived in our house for 22 years and it's getting us down so much that we've booked an estate agent yesterday to put it on the market. It's our home, our sanctuary and somewhere we imagined growing old in and raising our grandchildren in. It's literally breaking our hearts.

People should try actually living with noise nuisance - it's a truly awful experience and one you have absolutely no control over.

I really hope you get something sorted OP but if you don't I'd honestly say move for the sake of your sanity