AIBU to give you an update re Church noise?

If it's a quiet place, then perhaps a chat with the local police might help with the parking. Sorry, not read the entire other thread, but in quiet places, the police generally have a bit more time on their hands to deal with community problems.

Can't believe the council have not offered to put recording equipment in your house - it was offered to me re our neighbours dogs barking all day. I would push for this as it surely provides incontrovertible proof.

I would definitely report bad parking to the Council. That should be sorted out ASAP.

I go to a church which isn't noisy at all (also Methodist), and we have services/activities at predictable times.

We do consider ourselves responsible for noise levels of people using the church or halls though. We once had a group who came to us asking to use the hall for a gathering as the place they had booked had to cancel at the last minute. They turned out to be incredibly noisy, and we had complaints during the event from local residents. We immediately put a stop to it, refused to rent halls to them again, and sent letters of apology and flowers to affected residents.

I would expect your local church to do something similar. My guess is that they may be relying on income from renting out the halls in order to make ends meet, but ultimately that's not your problem. I'd keep pushing until this is sorted.

Yabu for calling the minister "wet", though. He's probably in an awkward position and trying to be nice. Ministers don't get training in the legalities of noise-making.

Oh dear Aannnaa. Time for a name change I think. Talk about embarrassing yourself.

It sounds awful, OP and I hope you get it sorted.

OP you have my sympathy, and I say that as an attendee at an evangelical church. They are In a residential area and it sounds as if they should turn off the amplification and need education about slamming car doors at 5am and all the other things you mention. Can you ask for some signs to be put up, the type that they have at pubs/village halls? They might prick some consciences, you never know. Or can you collar the SDA minister and ask for a chat?

@EveSome people will never understand how upsetting unnecessary noise disturbance can be. ( until it happens to them then it is a different story obviously) community centre, churches, schools they all move the goal posts depending on who’s in charge at the time. So saying “the church was there first” etc is a ridiculous and naive comment to make.

Argh we need an edit function. Apologies for not proof reading

Somebody from the SDA's to come over to our house and give us name and contact number so we can speak with them directly if there is a particular issue

Why the hell cant the Methodist Minister just give you this contact number? He obviously has it. Why is he forcing you to interact with someone who has been so abusive in their actions towards your previous attempts ( racist comments are tc) in your own home, when they can quite simply give you a piece of paper with this information on? It all sounds designed to make things as difficult for you as possible

OP I would do as asked at the meeting to show you are trying to resolve this amicably still BUT I would make an appt with your MP now, run through the issue, all the evidence of the issue and the fact the council have ignored all your attempts other than to attend a meeting re mediation. Pretty sure they’ll get the council moving to properly deal with it.
If that doesn’t work I think you need a solicitor. As a pp said check our home insurance but in my experience they’ll wiggle out of it being covered.
You’ve tried doing it through the church and got nowhere, they’ve just asked you to continue what you have been doing for a further time, what’s the point n that?
You’ve asked the council multiple times and they’ve ignored you.
Time to go in much harder.
Good luck, it sounds horrendous.

OP I did read the original thread and like other PP's I personally would be escalating this now. You have done nice and reasonable and the Council really aren't playing ball. They should already have had the monitoring in place by now. You have already kept a noise nuisance diary for them for quite some time and this meeting sounds very pacific on their part. They have a legal responsibility to deal with noise nuisance.

I worked in various Council's for many years both initially in an Environmental Health Department where such a noise nuisance would have been taken very much more seriously and latterly in various Legal Departments and had this come to my attention I would have been concerned at the position the Council were putting themselves in by their lack of action.

The usual thing to make a Council suddenly take your complaint seriously would be to get your MP onto them about the issue. No Director of Environmental Health wants the MP getting in touch about something they have the ability to stop.

Bells at Streen mark the hour 24/7 and have a service peel 4 times a day

I'm prepared to bet the bells marking the hour are simply on a chiming clock, so you're talking about a few seconds every time. A peel takes around three hours, so that certainly isn't happening four times a day.

I've never understood why proselytizing (or certain types of it) needs to be amplified. I don't suppose Jesus had access to a PA system.

you'd think that, but apparently OP's need for utter utter silence in the house that she chose, next door to a church that I presume didn't spring up overnight, far outweighs everyone else's needs or wants

OP has never suggested she wants silence, let alone utter silence. Posting this sort of thing makes people sound seriously dim.

Especially true as OPsupdates on her last thread stated they are fine with all the other normal Methodist church goings plus the other groups who rent!

I would photo the cars for evidence then call 101/council. Also record uskng watsapp audio in your home or videofor the early am noise folk.

And to get a bit of frustration out, since they are parking like them 'youparklikeacunt' takes submissions.

Only emergency vehicles should temporarily block zebras and zig zags. Only those with a blue badge have an excuse for double line parking.

If they can only be antisocial then yes their religious activities should be stopped in the form of their renting agreement being voided. They can rent a day in a different location where they won't inflict anti-social noise at all hours and parking on others.

you'd think that, but apparently OP's need for utter utter silence in the house that she chose, next door to a church that I presume didn't spring up overnight, far outweighs everyone else's needs or wants

OP has never suggested she wants silence, let alone utter silence. Posting this sort of thing makes people sound seriously dim.

You can't be the only one OP! What are the other neighbours saying?

OP

When I was having problems with sound the council had me down load the app, 'the noise app' you record the noise with your phone,asy how long it has been continuing and where in the home you are recording.

The council can then log in and hear the noise and the level.

If your council don't use it maybe suggest they do.

Sorry didn't finish but Church services are now changing and probably have changed considerably since you moved in. If the services are now more like rock concerts then that is unfair on you....I say this as a regular church goer!

Hi OP

You might want to see if you can edit your post to ask people to only comment if they did so on the original thread

Commenters arent aware that pretty much everyone on the first thread was agreeing the noise was unreasonable and outside what you would normally expect for a church

I dont think you will be successful if you think their religious activities are going to stop.

Aaannnaa I'm not enough of a cunt to complain about that

. Ironic, wouldnt you say, considering the way you are treating others? You're the only one speaking like this on this thread yet the others are cunts?

I'd be following @DonPablo's advice OP.
Your patient efforts with the Methodists and SPA and Council aren't getting you anywhere.
I suspect the Council are being particularly feeble because it's church organisations and they don't want to 'offend'. Completely misplaced and they don't mind throwing you under the bus.
Make it formal, go legal and get your MP involved for starters.

For the person who claims she lives with church bells 24/7 - you must have the fittest bell ringers in the country! You mean you have a chiming clock, pre service ringing ( usually Sundays and special services) and weekly ringing practice. Maybe the Angelus once a day (single bell ) though not many do that.
I lived next to a cathedral for years and that was the pattern. I'd be surprised if ordinary churches were busier.
If you've actually read the OP's full thread you will know it's got everything to do with selfish,rude,entitled people breaking the rules and nothing to do with ordinary church noises.

Aannnaa

Read the thread.

OP lives next to a methodist church and has been fine with that. Now the SDA are using the building it is more like a rock concert, except it is every week and more than once a week.

I read the original thread (or some of it). I think your complaint is perfectly reasonable. You have lived next to the Methodist church without issue for many years. The problem is that it is being rented out on a Saturday to a different religious community who drive to the venue in large numbers, causing chaos on the street, blocking your drive and singing so loudly all day that you cannot hear yourselves think. That sounds like a noise nuisance tort and it is something the council should take seriously. You might ask the council to consider sending the traffic warden over on a Saturday, to see if that persuades people to lift-share. Do send another update in 6 weeks. If all else fails, you can take them to court for a tortious claim. or you could take the Methodists to court for vicarious responsibility after they have failed to manage the noise nuisance, but I would wait to see what the council do first. There is no point in incurring legal fees if you don't have to.

Oh, OP, sorry to hear you haven't had much progress on this.

Regarding the parking, perhaps get in touch with the highways department at the council and let them know they have an opportunity to rake in a fortune in parking fines at each service - let them know it would be totally worth paying the overtime for an enforcement officer to patrol. :)

I agree with those that say you need to push for noise monitoring equipment to be installed in your house and garden by the council.

One other possibility, given that PPs have suggested that the internal volume of the church exceeds permitted levels, it may be worth contacting the Health and Safety Executive to get their opinion on this and find out if there is anything they can do to assist you.