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To tell DH me and the DC are moving and it's his choice whether he comes?

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VizzyWoo · 28/07/2019 13:53

We live in a tiny village of around 15 houses, basically a small estate in the middle of a field surrounded by farms. The village has no services, not even a shop. We've lived here since the DC's (now 15 and 12) were a toddler and newborn. The nearest shop is in another larger village 2.4 miles away, which may not seem like far but it's a lot when you don't drive (I suffer chronic pain that makes it difficult to drive). There are times when DH has been at work and I've had to walk an hour there and back into the larger village to get some milk. So 2 hours for a pint of milk. There is technically a bus that goes to the larger village one way and the nearest town the other way, but it's every other hour (and only turns up 50% of the time so more like every few hours) and stops at 4pm.

The DC's go to school in a town 5.4 miles away and it was a nightmare to get them in, we weren't in the catchment area and they didn't believe that they were the closest school. All of the admissions folk hadn't heard of our village. Eventually we got them in. Naturally both kids wanted independence when starting secondary school. We tried to let them both use the bus service in Year 7 but on the several times they tried the bus never turned up. So DH drives them on the way to work which they hate. Because the bus back to the village stops at 4pm (and never turns up in between them finishing school and 4) they have to wait around outside school until 6 each night for DH to get off work and pick them up.

DD starts college next year and it is 7 miles away. Bus again is completely out of the question. I have no idea how we are going to manage it as it's off DH's work route and DS's school route. We've actually had her in tears because she feels her social life is being damaged living here. If it's Saturday evening and all her friends are meeting up in town, she can never attend as DH CBA taking her. Her friends all go to the gym together and she can't go, DH won't take her. Friends eventually stopped asking her. DS is only 12 but he's starting to want to go out but can't. It's also my social life, I can't go to meet friends for a coffee etc and I am very lonely.

I have wanted to move for years, but DH always says no. His reasoning is that it's quiet and safe here, there is no crime. And that being here keeps the DC out of trouble. He also calls it his "Lovely quiet retirement home" (he's late 50s, is retiring in a few years). DD massively resents him for this. We have had many an argument about it. Personally, I think he is selfish. He has his car and can piss off whenever he likes, and he does. He gets to go into a city for work and is always down the pub in the larger village etc. While me and the DC are literally prisoner at home going out of our minds. He says I'm stupid for wanting to move into the nearby town, and that I'll be giving up our "lovely safe home". I think it's ridiculous. The vast majority of people in the UK live in towns/cities/suburbia nowadays and get on fine!

Me and the kids are becoming very lonely and depressed and he doesn't care or doesn't realize. I'm tempted to join a house swapper site (social housing) without his permission, and if we get someone interested then I will pursue it and he can either come with us or piss off. His choice, but either way me and the DC GO. I think I have a good chance of getting a swap, I'm sure the village is desirable to some. I know me and the kids need to leave this village, it's suffocating us. DD has literally been breaking her heart about it, 15 and going stir crazy. It's awful. I feel like we're being kept on DH's bloody compound.

I love DH but the kids come first. I feel they aren't going to thrive here and are lonely, isolated and depressed. As am I. I feel I need to take control here.

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spacedone · 29/07/2019 01:17

I don't understand why you're still contemplating what to do. He's an abusive prick and I don't get why you're even giving him the option to come. You have the perfect option to get out - pack your stuff and go to your mums. Don't even tell him, he's just going to kick off and shout at you. Take control and leave.

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WhisperingPines · 28/07/2019 22:55

Your DH sounds selfish.
You must decide what you do with your life. You're not his property. You can do what you want.

Do other people in your village drive and do they have DCs? Maybe you could arrange a car share with neighbours so that your DCs aren't so isolated? Do your DCs even have friends in the village where you live?
Have you ever talked to neighbours about your feelings of loneliness?

Why did you decide to move there in the first place?

TeacupDrama · 28/07/2019 22:29

the article quoted also says in some circumstances a sole tenancy will then be created and the landlords should seek legal advice but the OP could give notice to quit tenancy without her DH approval as she can't apparently make a claim to be rehoused while her name is on a tenancy
The case referred to did involve domestic violence

decisionsindecisions · 28/07/2019 22:02

If one party to a joint periodic tenancy3 serves a valid notice to quit4 on the landlord this has the effect of bringing the contractual tenancy to an end. In turn, this gives the landlord the right to recover possession of the property despite the fact that the other joint tenant(s) may not want to leave.5
The courts have considered the issue and established that where one of the joint tenants serves a notice to terminate the tenancy on the landlord this has the effect of terminating the whole tenancy

Wakeupalready · 28/07/2019 22:02

As a complete aside from all the previous posts, how long would it take to get medical services to you all in his lovely retirement home should he/ or any one else be so unfortunate as to experience a heart attack or a serious injury etc? Especially when you can't drive.
I'd suggest the answer would be too long and too late.
This was an argument a friend used to pry her husband out of their seriously isolated bush abode when their children were going nuts like your kids are. He hadn't considered that at all when selfishly clinging to his favoured lifestyle and he started listening to her arguments.
They now live much closer to a regional centre rather than 1.5 hours away in the middle of nowhere.
No idea whether that would work in your situation but if he has any health anxiety it might be an effective add on to your argument.

decisionsindecisions · 28/07/2019 22:00

No he wouldn't be the sole tenant if the OP gave notice.

researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN05149/SN05149.pdf

lyralalala · 28/07/2019 21:46

I dunno would he have to pay "bedroom tax" if he had the DC for overnights he may still be entitled to it...

Unless he goes on to benefits the bedroom tax is completely irrelevant.

I don't know how it works but I assumed if me and DC left then the council would boot DH out and move a family in there.

Am I wrong there? Seems odd they'd let a single bloke take up a 3 bedroom house.

They're very, very unlikely to kick him out - that would make him homeless and then they've have to house him anyway.

If they have smaller properties available they might offer him a swap.

Walkingwounded · 28/07/2019 21:45

I am just slightly further down the road than you, OP.

Living spectacularly rurally, with controlling DH. He will not move and it’s me who does all the ferrying around for the kids (13 and 11). Work full time and drive constantly.

DH will not budge, or hear that it is a problem. Will not set a time limit on leaving.

So I am going. We are separating: have had offer accepted on house; now hoping and praying for mortgage offer to come through.

Have seen the effects on the kids of social isolation and reading the experiences of those who have lived it on here, just reinforces my determination. As I hope it does for you. It seems to me that living in a really isolated way separates some people (like our DHs) from the real world, and they almost create a parallel universe where they are in charge: what they say goes.

I hope you can get out. The burden of the isolation will lift so quickly, and your children will be like new people.

LannieDuck · 28/07/2019 21:36

When he takes the car to the pub, is he drinking and then driving home?

If the remote location started to hit his social life a bit (instead of just the family's), might he start to see things differently?

TeacupDrama · 28/07/2019 21:29

if he pays full rent ie no benefits the bedroom tax does not apply neither can he be forced to move out, however he could not move to another 3 bed elsewhere
your joint tennacy would become his sole tenancy I think; as he is already a tenant therefore can't be kicked out

titchy · 28/07/2019 21:22

Why would they evict him if he's paying the rent? If he's claiming HB then that would be limited, but otherwise no - people can rent as big a house as they want as long as they pay their rent. Even social tenants.

Willow2017 · 28/07/2019 21:10

If its anything like other councils they won't have 1 bedroom places o swap him to anyways!

A friend of mine was told he had to move to a 1 bedroom despite having his kids every weekend. He is still waiting a year later as there is nowhere for him to go!

RandomMess · 28/07/2019 21:06

I dunno would he have to pay "bedroom tax" if he had the DC for overnights he may still be entitled to it...

VizzyWoo · 28/07/2019 21:04

I don't know how it works but I assumed if me and DC left then the council would boot DH out and move a family in there.

Am I wrong there? Seems odd they'd let a single bloke take up a 3 bedroom house.

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Willow2017 · 28/07/2019 20:47

So not 'bro' !!!

Willow2017 · 28/07/2019 20:45

I did read the post. I worked with many disabled people who drove modified cars. I'm pretty sure she could drive an automatic!!!

  1. bro you know about every kind of medical condition going to make such a daft statement? Not everyone who.hasxa 'disability' or medical.condition can drive just because it's an automatic!
  2. if you bothered to.read ops posts you would see she has severe vertigo plus other problems. No freaking auto' is going to fix that. DVLA don't believe it either!

Wtf is so miraculous about an automatic?
I have driven.one for years but it hasn't cured my medical condition! It must be faulty.😁😁

*Please OP Learn To
Could you learn to drive?
Ffs! She CAN drive she just isn't allowed to by law due to her med condition. At least do.op the courtesy of reading her posts folks.

candycane222 · 28/07/2019 20:35

I found your situation really distressing to read about OP. Rooting for you to escape, he has no right to bully all of you like this. What an arse.

Handsoffmysweets · 28/07/2019 20:31

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Greensleeves · 28/07/2019 20:26

What HappyLoneParentDay said

It amazes me how people can make such bizarre judgements about others' lives without even bothering to read what little information has been supplied Hmm

I agree with everyone else. Leave this sack of dead weight behind, he is suffocating you all.

billy1966 · 28/07/2019 20:24

OP,
He is horrible, abusive and controlling.

Tell him absolutely nothing.

Talk to your Mum and arrange to go there.

Arrange a lift from your brother or taxi while he is at work.

After he has left for work pack your bags.

Be gone by the time he gets home.

Take time in your Mum's to find out do you and do your children want him to join you.

I bet they won't.

Apply for housing based on having to flee your house.

Just because he hasn't beaten you does not mean you have not been in an abusive, controlling relationship.

Remember to take all your important paper work like birth certificates and passports.

Your poor children being rated in that house.

Go now.

Because I can assure you they will be gone the first chance they get.

Handsoffmysweets · 28/07/2019 20:23

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lyralalala · 28/07/2019 20:14

Apologies OP I suggested you learn to drive before you said it was vertigo. I understand now that's not possible for you.

Still a pretty rude suggestion when the OP says in her first post that she can't drive because of chronic pain.

Other than ridiculously high volume of posters who need to RTFT my personal favourites are ‘teach the DD to drive’ and ‘I agree with your DH because my rural upbringing was great’ 🙄

The "teach the 15yo to drive and she can ferry the 12yo around" one was particularly spectacular. They should all just stay put and let one of the kids take over the parent role of ferrying around siblings just to let the Dad stay in the house only he is happy in - wtf?!

Oliversmumsarmy · 28/07/2019 20:08

Ultimately you have to steer your own boat.

You can’t rely on your dh being completely behind you.

We live in a tiny back water on the outskirts of London. Unlit roads, about 15-20 houses down a warren of unlit unpavemented single track roads with passing spaces.

Dd drives now but when she was younger I had to run her to the tube station each morning and collect her each evening after school.

If she wanted to go anywhere or out with her friends I would run her everywhere, same with Ds.

If you live in places like these then you have to be the taxi driver 24/7

The problem is your dh is planning for retirement when he has years to go. He is so focussed on his retirement he doesn’t seem to see he has teenage children or the fact his vision of retirement is your fate worse than death

Teachermaths · 28/07/2019 20:06

Apologies OP I suggested you learn to drive before you said it was vertigo. I understand now that's not possible for you.

Get yourself to your mums. Take enough stuff for you and the kids and go. Your dh is a controlling fuck wit and I'm sure you'll all be happier away from him.