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to be really irritated with comments like this

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Leati · 14/07/2007 06:52

The other day I started a thread about gun policy in the US. I am from the US but agree with alot of you ladies about the US gun policy being to relaxes. One of the ladies suggested that we should change the law. I tried to explain that the law was protected by the United States constitution and therefor it was not very easy to change. Then someone who had not been part of conversation up until that point get on and starts writing outragously insulting comments

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Of course the Americans want guns. They are a huge country with lots of space, animals, wilderness much much less sophisticated and indeed behind the times than the UK and most of Europe with their history of cow boys and some very simple people living there. Obviously they therefore hang on to their guns. Our police can police the 60m people here in the UK without guns on the whole and as there are few guns to be had we have fewer deaths and murders. This is one reason most of us choose to stay in the UK rather than move to the US.

and then the user writes this

Americans are often simple people a bit behind Europe, of course they are. You'll catch up eventually but you even have the death penalty. You and China... we despair over here and so many believing the planet is 6000 years old only. It's a kind of simpleness which in some ways is quite sweet but you've a long way to go to be in the same advanced mindset of most Europeans.

I just have to ask...where does she come up with this crap

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filchthemildmanneredjanitor · 14/07/2007 10:15

infallible

IsabelWatchingItRainInMacondo · 14/07/2007 10:14

I think the great majority of catholics don't consider him "unfallible", although there are always some fundamentalists...

Believing that we consider the man unfallible is like assuming that all catholics believe the world was made in seven days.

BandofMuggles · 14/07/2007 10:14
GryffindorInARiffindor · 14/07/2007 10:13

but the last pope did a lot of good

this one scares me

filchthemildmanneredjanitor · 14/07/2007 10:13

i think the pope is a mad old bloke who spouts crap from a position that means a lot of people take notice, which unfortunately is very bad for the earth in general.

GryffindorInARiffindor · 14/07/2007 10:12

I was disappointed with choice of new pope

Original poster
Leati · 14/07/2007 10:12

edam

I think you are right that it is possible with the vast size of the US to never meet a person with these beliefs. I was just so surprised, to hear this.

Just to clear up on misunderstanding about the US. Religion of any sort is not allowed in school. No prayer or teachings. The only schools that could teach stuff like this are private ones.

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filchthemildmanneredjanitor · 14/07/2007 10:11

well I don't think the pope is infallible but i do think that is one of the points of catholicism.

BandofMuggles · 14/07/2007 10:10

Ummmmmmmm, I think it's quite possibly just a bit mad to call the pope infallible, as he is still human, but then I am not Catholic so stone me if you will

Am definately going now.

IsabelWatchingItRainInMacondo · 14/07/2007 10:10

The only thing I'm, comparing is that both seem quite unsuitable leaders for their own particular reasons, and unfortunately both have been "imposed by God" onto us

teafortwoandtwofortea · 14/07/2007 10:09

MMJ - There are different denominations in most religions aren't there? - I know DH is a Buddhist and there are lots of different types of that...

filchthemildmanneredjanitor · 14/07/2007 10:09

but comparing the queen and the pope is mad though isn't it? nobody suggests that the queen is infallible and has direct line from st peter etc etc. i think it's more of an administartive role pmsl! i can't believe i'm havng this discussio on a saturday morning!

BandofMuggles · 14/07/2007 10:08

Gibbon, get lost and get ready

I need to go too........DD1 nagging. Must go and be a better mummy

Bye everyone, interesting and civilised discussion- lovely

IsabelWatchingItRainInMacondo · 14/07/2007 10:07

archobishops

BandofMuggles · 14/07/2007 10:06

I am sure there are different versions of most of them.

IsabelWatchingItRainInMacondo · 14/07/2007 10:06

" catholics do believe you communicate directly with God too - the Pope is the head of the church"

As for anglicans is the queen

TBH I don't know what I do preffer if having a pope who is the religious equivalent of George Bush, or a high class woman, and her family, who have never experienced the realities of living the average person life and is in that position because God wanted it that way.

I'm fast moving forward to become an independant christian I suppose. Although I very much respect the archbishop of Canterbury and York.

GryffindorInARiffindor · 14/07/2007 10:06

Bob - I shouldn't be here - tell me to go get ready

teafortwoandtwofortea · 14/07/2007 10:06

Hi Leati - sorry I'm coming a bit late to this thread. I think partly to understand the rest of the world's view you have to do some serious reading. Naomi Klein and Noam Chomsky are a good place to start. They discuss the way the USA is perceived abroad and why, covering US foreign policy, US corporations, the actions of the US military etc etc. If reading Chomsky have a box of tissues with you because som of it is heartbreaking.

Personally, I know (honest!) that there are a huge amount of wonderful intelligent people in the US but I think the fact that I was born in England I can only see the US through the eyes of my own culture. I can't understand how a civilised country can still have the death penalty, think it's OK to go invading other countries, legally class a coporation as a 'person' or elect a man like Bush as president.

On the up side, it's great that California is leading the way to some extent regarding climate change so keep up the good work

GryffindorInARiffindor · 14/07/2007 10:06

oh I see, yes that is true (memories of not knowing what to say in the confessional box come flooding back)

lol 'Atheists confess directly to their mothers'

filchthemildmanneredjanitor · 14/07/2007 10:03

bom-i think was broad religions and then the different denominations fall within the religions-there are lots of different types of muslim too aren't there? sufi, shiite etc?

BandofMuggles · 14/07/2007 10:03

There are just too many. I can't remember them all.

policywonk · 14/07/2007 10:03

Atheists confess directly to their mothers

Original poster
Leati · 14/07/2007 10:03

Okay, I think that I have got all worked out now. Yes, there is some strange religion does believe the earth is between 6000-10000 yrs old and supports that info with phony information. BTW religion was founded in 1961. And it had the misfortune of naming itself Young Earth Creationists which also appears to be the same term used for a lot of other christian religions that believe that God created Earth and Man.

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BandofMuggles · 14/07/2007 10:02

Any scientologists on today?? They do seem a strange lot

filchthemildmanneredjanitor · 14/07/2007 10:02

yes but i was thinking in terms of confessing to a priest, whereas anglicans confess directly to god.