In being sick of the way women are endlessly objectfied and treated like pieces of meat?

I do think it's bad for men to think of women as sexual objects but on the same scale, what makes it ok for women to be nasty and judgemental towards other women? What gives anyone the right whether they are male or female?

But the point is, if you are a male tennis player, you get asked about your tennis, if you are a female tennis player, you get asked about your dress!

It's not about embracing your sexuality (good) it's about your sexuality being the one thing seen about you (bad)

Actually elf and scp, I do take your point on that.

sweetcherrypie - exactly. Women label too often imo, the thread on Jordan this week shocked me - so many people calling her a slag.

Like i said, a woman can do the exact same thing as a man sexually, yet she is critasized for it and labelled for it. But most of the time, it's WOMEN who do the critasizing and labelling, like they are in this thread!

I do not feel that I have ever been wrongly treated because I am a woman.

I have never felt my choices in life have been criticised or judged.

Slightly off to the left of this topic, but I've got to ask why most women would want to see some male models 'turkey giblets' anyway. Believe me I'm no prude, but they're not very attractive, are they?

I think the scales are tipping to be fair! I dont think there are more "less dressed" women on the television, but there seems to be a lot more semi naked men!

And besides, at the end of the day, you are the consumer. You are who these products / adverts are aimed at. Dont like trashy magazines? Dont buy them. Dont like porn? Dont watch it. Dont like raunchy music videos? Dont watch them. Aren't women the biggest consumers? So if women dont like it, and take a stand, then it will change.

I don't agree with the argument that it's ok to have naked women because there are naked men. The power balance is different between men and women, because of history, patriarchy and because of the difference in physical strength. The meaning of a naked man is different to that of a naked woman because the position of a man in society is different from that of a woman.

A woman can do exactly the same thing as a man (sex) yet unlike the man, she is critasized for it and labelled for it.

Elf19.. you seem to have missed the point that society doesn't objectify men the same way as it does women.

Exactly Dabbles - this normalisation of porn just drives me insane. It's like porn has been separated from sexual life and become part of the everyday, which has to have an impact on the way women are viewed in day to day life surely. Like Janos says, our sexuality is only part of who were are, but as porn is presented as just another lifestyle option, like watching tv or shopping, it becomes all that women are.

Not often I wholeheartedly agree with Madamez but in this case I do.

Lots of things seem okay for society, it doesn't mean I have to let dd think that is the correct way.

I think its sad that we whitewash everybody and say that because there are naked women, or women are seen as objects that is what our children will aspire to be.

Yes I find it sad that there are kids out there who want to be the next Jordan or the next Jade, and go on Big Brother etc, but I dont think that is a much of a % people think or just because women are viewed as objects.

I personally dont feel there is more than what there was when I was growing up, but maybe that is because my parents was cautious about what we saw / read. So I am perfectly aware that women are seen as objects, but at the same time, totally aware that women do not have to go down that route, we have brains Goddammit and we're going to use them!

And, to be fair, like I said before, pick up a copy of heat and you'll find a couple of pages dedicated to totty. The new D&G man anybody?

One of my friends used to be Advertising Executive for one of the well-known mens mags and I once asked her why most magazines had pictures of good-looking semi-naked women on the front and she said "Because men desire and women aspire" - the assumption, possibly based on research (?), is that blokes all want to shag those women and women all want to be those women!
(She also told me that Posh insists on the absolute final say on all approved pictures of her in any magazine and the amount of retouching and airbrushing she insists on before she gives final approval is unbelievable, and that her skin is horrendous - made me feel slightly better!)

I don't see it like that. I think women are standing up for themselves and expressing their sexual freedom (of which women never had years ago) and should celebrate their sexuality, not hide it away.

ALSO HAS anyoen seen the satellite channels, the ones near the end where they have 'live chat'? which is basically women rubbing themselves and gettign their tits out, while men phone in and wank off ot them live on air (audio is muted) seriously. ffs its outrageous....

I mean live web cam sex site are bad enough.., but on the telly? society gone too far??

Totally agree with the OP!! No wonder eating disorders are on the increase!

What bothers me is that almost anything any woman does is seem as a compulsory either/or choice for EVERY woman, with no possibility of just being yourself and doing your own thing. Ie, if you don't have children, you're a selfish bitch, if you do have children, you're betraying feminism; if you like sex and like to wear revealing clothes you're an ignorant slapper contributing to other women's unplanned pregnancies, b ut if you cover up you're frigid and humourless...

Men's appearance and behaviour is not discussed in this way nearly as much, because men are percieved as human beings, where as women are percieved as not quite fully human, not able to make free choices or act in their own interests. That's far more of a problem than short skirts.

No i wouldn't say womens job is done, i mean women have more say now then they have ever done before in the history of well women.

so its okay for society, but not fo ryou and your dd?

lol

sigh, of course not! maybe if they had got their cocks out i might have... anyways am farrrr too busy slagging off the women to notice the men!!

But sweetcherrypie what do you mean by 'more powerful'? I agree we've come a long way from the Married Women's Property Act, but your post sounds like you think the job is done.

Rape conviction rates are going down, women's wages still lag behind men's, our MPs are still predominantly male, there are still few women in the boardrooms of top companies. On a global level, women are still more likely to be illiterate than men, and a 12 year girl dies during female genital mutilation.

I know the objectification of women is only one aspect of oppression, but it's part of a bigger picture that doesn't seem to be getting better the way we all thought it would ten or fifteen years ago.