In being sick of the way women are endlessly objectfied and treated like pieces of meat?

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Is it really, margoandjerry? I can't imagine discussing the womans cleavage, but I've said some choice things about her before. Canne stand the bint, but there we go.

You're right though, there was a shedload of coverage about Condaleeza Rice's hair and outfits.

Just so you know how prevalent it is, the Home Secretary's cleavage is now the subject of discussion. The Home Secretary. Making a statement in the Commons about the biggest security threat this country has ever faced.

The day John Reid/Charles Clark/Jack Straw faces the same discussion about his body is the day I will accept that men and women come under the same pressure. The argument that women also do it to men is a total red herring because a) they don't to the same extent and b) men are allowed to be successful for other reasons than their bodies.

Also, children have now absorbed this to an unacceptable level. It always gets me that we don't beat ourselves up about the fact that we are not as brainy as Stephen Hawking or as speedy as Paula Radcliffe. But we somehow are supposed to have the same figure as Jordan or Posh or whoever is your model of choice. All these "aspirations" are extreme and unrealistic but only one has become mainstream.

"I think it lacks respect to treat a human being as nothing but the sum of their...ummm ...parts"

i think you've hit the nail on the head there for me but maybe not in the way you meant. when dealing with actors,models and for the most part singers (well ones who trade on their looks) i don't think it lacks respect to take their appearance into account when judging them in their profession as they have put themselves out their as someone who is attractive and believe they are attractive enough to make money off their looks.remember none of us know them peronally so it is not really a judge on their character. however the affect it has on children is heartbraking if they are getting upset over looks that young.

Well, that's it, isn't it? It's not so much that the objectification happens, because it always has, it's more that nowadays it's an acceptable aspiration for people to have. Which is kind of odd, tbh.

I agree that it isn't just women that suffer from objectification amen. I read your post further down about Daniel Craig and I can honestly say that I was not one of those leching at the poor bugger. Not my style at all.

I think it lacks respect to treat a human being as nothing but the sum of their...ummm ...parts . It has gone a step further now when so many young people are happy to be treated thus and worry about their looks to an extent never dreamed about a few decades ago. My 8 yr old DD has a classmate who cries about being fat because the boys will never like her [hhm]. 20 yrs ago it would be called puppyfat - now it's a heartbreak for a little girl who should be too young to care about crap like that.

i understand what certain women are objecting to here, i don't agree with it but i understand it. as privately funded organisations with their own self interest at heart advertisers are always going to push their point of view on mainstream culture.most often with the lowest common denominator.i think the only thing you can do is reject ideas and campaigns you find personally distasteful with your purchasing choices as i think censorship would just be a substitution of the idea you are forcing on people. and it is not only women who are subject to distastful campaigns, if you look at things like the current "metro-sexual" fad being ushed upon men it is a clear example of the media and women trying to change men for their own gains. this ,may seem trivial to some, i am onlymentioning it as an example of female driven media campaigns which objectify and try to manipulate men.

"because they have many hang ups about their bodies because of the whole size 0/skinny craze "

I think that might be it BtoB. Now I wonder why that is happening Clearly nothing to do with the objectification of women of course according to some of the post on here....

I know girls don't shower together after games etc in recent times but i think they used to back in the 1950s. I think that the reason girls don't now adays is because they have many hang ups about their bodies because of the whole size 0/skinny craze thats happening. Girls fail to be confident about their bodies because of the unrealistic standards that is set apon them so there for don't want other girls to see them naked in case of judgement and embarresment.

It's funny because i read in last months Cosmo that this generation are ment to be the most advanced sexually. But then they said actually this generation are the most prudish of them all with only a tiny percentage of girls showering together etc. It was quite interesting to read because you wouldn't think of girls now adays being prudish at all but i think about it, i could never see girls all jumping in the shower together after sports at school. It wouldn't happen.

Credit to Amen for a balsy and valid post.

It's not just women who feel objectified -
and Daniel Craig is in fact the perfect example - 'Craig shocks fans'.

I had to laugh when I read that -
'I am a serious actor, doncha know, doncha know, for fuck's sake!!'

You are being pretty reasonable actually.

Even from a bloke's point of view I would say
you can have too much of a good thing.

I am fairly optimistic, though, that it will turn out
to be a fad and the so-called 'raunch culture'
will be toned down in due course.

I think you will never stop the porn industry/lads mags/strip clubs because as long as there are women out there who are willing to do it then it will never go away.

And btw I did write to an advertiser once and complain about an image of women I found obscene. They dropped the ad.

What IS worse about the exploitation of women through porn these days, compared to a generation or two ago, is the fact that young girls are having cosmetic surgery in the hope of making their fortune.

Not only are they risking their own health and well-being, but also giving men who consume porn an even more perverted view of women's bodies and what those bodies are for than they already have.

plus seeing hot women on billboards brightens up my day and makes me smile.

great!

loads of women aspire to the look though don't they? spray tans, cosmetic surgery, endless talk of shoes. it's no wonder really.