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AIBu - to want to have sex with my own wife

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Dadboddancer · 15/08/2018 21:08

Dear Mumsnet

I've turned to mumsnet in desperation and need a a female perspective.
I'm worried I'm being an insensitive husband.

I need advice about how to approach a lack of intimacy and sex in our marriage since the birth of our first child.

The back story - I've been happily married for 7 years. We were together 5 years before getting married. We have two lovely children aged 3/12 and 11 months.

The problem with intimacy started when my wife got pregnant. We did not have sex or any sexual contact during the pregnancy. This was her wish and I was fine with it. Other intimacies were ok at that stage.

After the birth - as expected -all intimacy dissipated. We did not even kiss again for 10 months. We probably had sex 3 times in the 2 years after - once amazingly conceiving our beautiful daughter. Other intimacy remained very limited (and one sided from me).

Like all other couples - I think we neglected our relationship after our first baby. However, since - I've made sure we get some "us" time even if its only once per month. I still think she is beautiful and she still gets flowers and random gifts. I've re-arranged my work schedule to have a day off at home to help with childcare and home running.

I feel awful saying this - but having sex 4/5 times in 5 years isn't enough for me. The constant rejection, and then the constant holding back so im not "pestering" is getting me down. I'm happy in every other aspect and she is an AMAZING mother.

Its so hard to talk about things without appearing to moan about not getting any

Can I ask for your collective experience:

  1. Have other couples/ ladies had similar drops in their libido after their children - if so how did things turn out?
  2. Have any of you worked through a problem like this - what was your approach?
  3. If I can't get past this - what are my options - do any of you live in sexless marriages for the kids benefit and get on ok?

Feeling terrible about considering causing my children pain and leaving just because I dont get laid.

Any serious views will be taken on board.

OP posts:
SirVixofVixHall · 15/08/2018 22:42

I also felt the resentment when my husband cuddled me because I knew he wanted more and I didn’t really want to cuddle. I used to fantasise about my single life, lying quietly in my bed all on my own.
It is really hard, motherhood is such a shift. I didn’t have birth injuries but my body changed and as a pp said, I felt resentful that DH was the same as he’d always been, while I was so changed and exhausted.
I agree that taking all the focus of sex is a good idea, accept that you won’t have any for a while, and try to connect with your wife in other ways. Shared humour is great, keeping the real connection between you going. Talk to her about how she feels about motherhood. How were the births ? I honestly think there is a biological basis to this too, it makes sense that women focus on their babies and don’t get pregnant again too soon. I would also add that low iron, low B12, low thyroid function all can also have an impact on mood as they make you more tired and flat, and are common after birth. If she is very tired then she probably would get these tested, if she’s getting enough sleep ?

SunnyCoco · 15/08/2018 22:41

Hi op
This sounds like a hard situation and I think you sound like a considerate person

I wondered if your wife has/had any mental illness after either birth, as things like depression, anxiety, ptsd, psychosis, etc can all massively affect your sex drive

If she is feeling well mentally, then my advice would be just to gradually bring non-sexual intimacy back into the relationship. Cuddle, hold hands, laugh, have proper conversations, compliment her on her personality and her looks and body.

I also find a few drinks always helps me but I know not every woman likes to lower their inhibitions in this way so again would depend on her preferences.

Best of luck - try to communicate with her as much as you possibly can.

BertieBotts · 15/08/2018 22:41

Argh everyone posts too fast Grin

I think it is far more likely that she is touched out/exhausted/hormonally drained/feeling unattractive than that she has fallen out of love or doesn't find you attractive, OP. Honestly and totally. These things are such typical feelings after having children, you sound respectful and supportive and it is simply that this is such an enormously tricky time and the workload you have between you is higher than average too with 74 hours worked out of the home and neither child in childcare.

If you can keep up the connection stuff - just talking, looking to the future, non sexual intimacy - that goes a long long way in keeping those bonds maintained. Keep an eye out for resentment about workload and make shifts if necessary, but try not to be resentful about sex specifically.

Good luck.

LannieDuck · 15/08/2018 22:41

I wonder if she's simply exhausted. Does she do all the night wake-ups? My youngest is 4 yo now, and I still only get a full night's sleep 50% of the time.

It can be hard not to fall into competitive tiredness, but unless you've been doing 1/2 the overnight wake-ups (which you may have been...), you're not as tired as she is.

I do feel some reverse resentment. I dont have a hobby. Dont see friends regularly. Do all the "get ups" on my days off to give her a lie in as I accept that breast feeding is more tiring.

Does she have a hobby? Or see friends regularly? Does she do the 'get ups' on your days at work?

I'm not asking as criticism, but to demonstrate that all those things apply to her too. It's rather unfair to be resentful because you no longer have them - she doesn't either. Yes, your life has changed, but so has hers. And if she's given up FT work, hers has changed more. Plus her body has changed. And in many ways her identity.

Is there any way to ask how she's feeling without making it about sex? There are loads of posts on here from women who feel as if they have all the chores land on them from a great height when they have kids, while their husbands get away relatively scot-free, so resentment builds and is obviously quite a turn-off. Then the husbands start to pester because they're getting less sex and that's even more of a turn-off. It doesn't sound like that's your story, but trying to see if there're underlying issues would be a good idea.

Dadboddancer · 15/08/2018 22:39

Our general communication is great - our communication about this dreadful.

I think I find it hard to bring up. She now knows I'm unhappy with the situation after attempt one at communication.

I'm worried if winge even the cuddles will dry up as she will keep thinking its all i want. Its a very hard thing to communicate over.

OP posts:
FranticallyPeaceful · 15/08/2018 22:37

I never wanted to be touched during pregnancy and I still feel very insecure now. We’ve had sex once, I wish he would try more because I lack the confidence

mrwalkensir · 15/08/2018 22:36

she might well just be too tired - two small children, breast feeding and work. Even if she fancies it, she may just feel too exhausted to imagine going through with it. Does she still grin when you come in at night, slap you on the bum occasionally etc? If so, I'd say give it a year or two....and maybe get a cleaner etc too (wish we'd done that). You're both working very hard and long hours, if not in the same ways.

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BertieBotts · 15/08/2018 22:33

It just comes across a bit strangely - perhaps it is the way you're expressing it on here rather than the way is actually is. But it almost sounds like you're trying to invest more into the relationship (good) without necessarily finding out what she wants or what would help her (strange) and then expecting her to be grateful for it or reciprocate, specifically, in a very specific way (unrealistic/possibly a little unfair). And even some of the things you mention as being nice gestures to her - you've sent her out to enjoy a film with her friends, you let her have a lie in, etc - these are lovely things to do but where is the connection and shared time and sense of being a team? I don't think there is any problem BTW in dividing out the mum manager/household manager kind of stuff but again the balance has to work for both of you.

I don't know, it's just if I think about my own marriage there is much more connection and communication happening than is being expressed in this thread and it feels very strange in that sense. Things can be uneven at times, but when that happens we end up discussing it rather than one of us trying to quietly fix it in the background and simply hope the other notices. I appreciate this might be simply because of how you're expressing it here but that's what I would find to be missing.

I would not expect it to get better quicker than after DC1 - possibly it may even take more time as the work of two children is obviously more than the work of one so overall the situation is harder. Sorry, I know that isn't very helpful! Perhaps the workload will shift again once DC1 is at school and/or DC2 starts some kind of regular childcare.

ILoveHumanity · 15/08/2018 22:32

I think she feels unattractive op. Believe me it’s not you. She might be hurt inside too. Feeling that you don’t miss her.

Ellboo · 15/08/2018 22:32

If it helps - my libido was pretty non-existent between first and second babies (similar gaps to you) but recovered once youngest 2 or so. I felt surrounded by people who wanted physical things from me, and it made me want to not even be cuddled by my husband. Now that the kids are less intense I feel very different and things are good. It might seem too long to wait for you - but it is not necessarily for the rest of your marriage.

DameSylvieKrin · 15/08/2018 22:32

My wife is on full-time maternity leave with our first. I work a similar number of hours to you in a demanding technical job. I do a lot more than you say you do in the household, and I'm 30 weeks pregnant with a tonne of complications.
Stop thinking of her as the supermum and you as a dad doing your 'bit' (why not your share?) and think of her as an equal partner.

ILoveHumanity · 15/08/2018 22:31

Op- maybe her body language reads “ oh gosh I hope he doesn’t ask me for it because I don’t feel confident about my body image and I don’t know if he thinks I’m pretty.”.

Try help her see herself as more than a mother. More Than woman with body flaws.

I would say.. continue to be the one to hug and take it one step at a time from there. It is ok, she needs u to restore her confidence. Assure her that she can tell u if she isn’t comfortable. Let her know what you see in her. Not just as a mother but as a wife. As a woman that stirs emotions and desires in you.

strawberrypenguin · 15/08/2018 22:30

I think you need to talk to her about how you are feeling.
Work on the small things first maybe, touching each other in passing, the odd kiss, those everyday intimacy's that mean so much and from there you can build up again.

Dadboddancer · 15/08/2018 22:30

Thanks everyone,

Its reassuring to know some have had similar experiences - but concerning to know that it doesnt always end well for the relationship.

I've very worried she has fallen out of love with me. I'm even more concerned she is thinking "I dont find him attractive but he works hard as a father so I will stay with him for the kids".

OP posts:
hlr1987 · 15/08/2018 22:30

My libido massively droped for about a year and a half after first child, I think it's nature's way of making you take a break between childbirths! Not yet back after 2nd baby (6 months ish) and I hope to god my husband doesn't feel rejected, as it isn't personal. Being tired is a huge thing but also I've never been quickly stimulated to sex- I have to be relaxed, not stressed and then mentally stimulated first- so a good night's sleep, erotic fiction and wine are a safe bet. If I plan ahead for sex (unromantic I know) then there's a baby sitter, a clean house, doing something together (like seeing friends) and then sleeping in the next day. As a side issue I spend a lot of time revolted by how I look, which makes me undervalue my dh's attention- if I could never find myself attractive I have a hard time believing he could.

captainproton · 15/08/2018 22:29

Do you want more children? Because you guys sound as fertile as us. And I definitely do not want to get pregnant again, and until DH has the snip there is no contraception I trust other than abstinence. Having another baby petrifies me. We do however have other moments of intimacy. So until the day comes when the snip is confirmed successful I will never agree to sex again.

DH knows that the best foreplay he could ever do is take the kids for the day and let me have some own time. Not doing sodding housework either.

Your wife has a grabby/chewy 11 month old on her Breasts. She has a toddler. She probably can't go for a wee in peace when at home and likely looks forward to work just to have one thought to herself without "mum"!!! Ringing in her ears.

She has given her body and all her energy to your family and she just doesn't have it in her to to give you, the other adult who is supposed to be sharing the burden of the early years. She isn't going to give you what you want until she feels like her old self again. That can take a long time.

Communication is key, but honestly you've moved down the pecking order and you have to wait until breast feeding is over. She is giving your baby her milk to give the best start in life. Cut her some slack.

Charlotte716 · 15/08/2018 22:29

Can I just say you sound like a really lovely bloke.

That aside try and communicate more and pick a moment you can have this conversation. Maybe start on the point of outlining the appreciation you have for her and what a great mother she is then broach the subject of what you want to work on as a couple and it would make you feel closer. Be patient and express you will be and check if there are any underlying issues, she might be struggling with post baby confidence and breast feeding can be a block to feeling like sex.

Good luck, you have communicated well here how you feel so I think you can to her directly.

Stompythedinosaur · 15/08/2018 22:28

I think it might be helpful to remember that your "house manager" mental work of paying monthly bills is significantly less than her "mum manager" mental work of supervising the children every minute, knowing what food is available and which meals to make, managing on going housework issues. It is not really comparable and it might be helpful to recognise that, particularly as you say she has mentioned being tired of thinking about everything.

It sounds like you might benefit from relationship counselling tbh, you don't sound as if you really appreciate each other or understand each other's perspective.

Pinkvoid · 15/08/2018 22:24

I had three DC in 2.5 years. The first two were planned, last one was not. Essentially my body went through 4 years of pregnancy, birth, the postpartum period and breastfeeding. It was obviously absolutely exhausting and my body changed beyond recognition (to me). I didn’t feel sexy or sexual in the slightest, it was seriously the very last thing on my mind. XH would sometimes nag and it made me feel very uncomfortable. I did feel harsh ‘rejecting’ his advances but I just didn’t have anything left in the tank for him. I was working and studying alongside the DC.

I realised eventually that I didn’t love him anymore and we separated. It didn’t just spring up out of nowhere but when the youngest was 1.5 and I had lost a lot of weight, stopped breastfeeding etc I still didn’t want to have sex with him. Ultimately that was the realisation, it was a lack of sexual interest in him and a lack of love for him too actually.

For your wife, the first pointers probably stand more than the last. She’s likely not feeling very attractive atm and is just simply knackered. I would give her some time (although I appreciate it must be very difficult) and if it still hasn’t picked up in a few months, you need a chat and perhaps counselling. In the mean time, don’t stop offering affection and compliments.

ReggieKrayDoYouKnowMyName · 15/08/2018 22:23

I think it’s the touched outness as much as a lack of libido. I have two kids aged 4 and 1 and feel permanently like someone is clambering on me 24/7 because one of them is generally in our bed too. I’m not sure what you do about that but it definitely makes me less reseptive to physical contact from my husband than I was previously. Our sex life isn’t in terrible shape but I do catch myself getting irritated by physical contact sometimes and I know what it’s because of. I try and be honest about it and tell DH how I’m feeling.

Ellapaella · 15/08/2018 22:23

I think you need to ask your wife:
Is her lack of libido just a lack of libido or is it that she does not find you physically attractive anymore? Does she want sex but just not with you? Or is it that she doesn't want sex full stop? If it's the former then it's obviously more troubling, if it's the latter she just needs time and understanding.
My sex drive diminished after the birth of my third child in a way that I knew wasn't natural for me. It wasn't that I didn't find my husband attractive anymore I just didn't want sex full stop. My hormones were all over the place - irregular periods, I know I wasn't ovulating every month.
18 months down the line and my periods went back to normal, baby started sleeping so I was less tired etc and slowly but surely my sex drive came back. All that time though I knew I still 'wanted' my husband if that make sense - it was more of a physical loss of libido than anything to do with him personally. He was very patient and understanding, we stayed intimate in other ways. The thing was we talked about it and didn't let it become the elephant in the room.
You need to speak to your wife and be honest with each other.

Nononannette · 15/08/2018 22:21

It is unbelievable to me that you’ve only spoken about it once! How on earth do either of you know what you’re feeling if you don’t talk? It doesn’t (and probably shouldn’t) have to be directly about sex, you could discuss what parts of your life you’re happy with, how well things are going in some areas, what you’d like more of or less of in your lives. If you can’t do it alone do it with a counsellor.

Lemono · 15/08/2018 22:20

I think if she has already said she feels tired and touched out, there is a good chance that this is a big factor in her lack of intimacy. The only way to improve things is to keep the dialogue going.

It’s clear that life is challenging right now for your wife. Sometimes just acknowledging how difficult it is, is a really useful first step. Marriage is about being a team. You need to talk about how you both can be as happy with your set-up as can be. You might find a counsellor as a third party really useful in this process. It’s also really good time out for you both as a couple to look at things together and discuss improvements and the best way forward.

I wouldn’t even bring up sex until general life issues are dealt with.

AlexaAmbidextra · 15/08/2018 22:20

Sidalee. Have you been waiting to find fault with OP? Is this the best you can come up with? Disturbing? Ffs.

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