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Its a zebra crossing for goodness sake!!!!!!

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MadamePlatypus · 03/06/2007 10:40

Crossing zebra crossing with DS and DD. Suddenly become aware of arsey man in car waiting at crossing shouting at me "THANK YOU! no wonder kids are growing up ignorant!". Now I know I am not being unreasonable - I do not have to thank drivers for deigning to stop at a zebra crossing - I might if I feel like it, but if I don't I won't, particularly if I am concentrating on getting my children across the road. Anyway, he drove off too quickly for me to argue with him, so I am venting here - hmmph.

Meanwhile, was in Richmond Park yesterday (road goes through park) when an arsey woman beeped at a family for being too slow crossing the road on their bikes (a cycle path crosses the road). So I am also venting on the family's behalf. Hmph!

Thanks, I feel better now.

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MadamePlatypus · 03/06/2007 19:13

Another point I forgot to mention re: the technicalities, the zebra crossing was in a 20 mile an hour zone and it is 'speed bumped' so you can only cross it at about 10 miles an hour .

Anyway, I agree with everybody about it being nice to be polite. However, being polite ALL the time is something I aspire to but can't always manage. I do think there are two kinds of politeness. There is necessary politeness e.g. saying sorry if you bump into something, and the kind of politeness that makes the world a nicer place but sometimes I can't quite manage.

On good days I get up, apply lip gloss and wear smart clothes, make the children a nutritional yet economic breakfast and astound people in the park with the calm, rational and effective way I deal with my children. People have even been known to complement me on how charming they are if they spend limited time in our company. . I chat to people in lifts, and with people walking the dogs and smile cheerily at people who stop at zebra crossings.

On other days, (like today), when DH is working away, I have suffered a double whammy of DS having nightmares and DD waking at 5 am, I lob some banana at DD (Isn't BLW great!), hope DS doesn't smear yoghurt on the sofa and try to get us all to the park in one piece. I may or may not smile at people who stop at zebra crossings, but I think this is allowed.

On the other hand, I accept that the guy who shouted at me was probably having a tough day too, and worse things happen at sea.

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mm22bys · 03/06/2007 18:44

I'm not British....I nearly always give a little "thank-you" acknowledgment to drivers who do bother to stop for me (especially when I am with DS1 and/or DS2.

In most of Europe most drivers don't stop anyway (except in countries like Austria - when they did stop for us the first time after being in France and Italy I was shocked!), so I still think it is nice of drivers to stop.

Same as I like it too when pedestrians I stop for acknowledge it.

I don't think there's anything wrong with being nice to each other!

pointydog · 03/06/2007 18:35

What a bizarre very British thread.

I have never given 'thank yous' at zebra crossings much thought.

beckybrastraps · 03/06/2007 18:29

God, are we only polite by regulation now?

Say "thank you". It's nice.

nightowl · 03/06/2007 18:27

i usually say thank you, nod, smile or something but dont feel i have to at a zebra crossing.

the other day i was waiting at a zebra crossing with my kids for the green man, even though the traffic was at a standstill (backed up from the lights at the end of the road). "look at this bunch of t**ts" says another girl waiting, to her friend, indicating us.

so they crossed, and nearly got hit by a motorbike zooming up the middle. "now who are the "t**ts" i thought.

WigWamBam · 03/06/2007 18:26

It doesn't cost anything to smile or wave a thank you. And the fact that someone is meant to do something doesn't mean it's not polite to acknowledge that they have. The bus driver is meant to take me from one place to another and drop me off when I ask, so should I not thank him either? Or the crossing warden, who is meant to stop the traffic for me?

I've taught dd to thank people who stop at crossings; it's basic manners, IMO.

AttilaTheMum · 03/06/2007 18:23

That's OK as long as he realises that what you're mouthing is thank you.....

juuule · 03/06/2007 18:18

Yep - that's what I do,Lovecat

Lovecat · 03/06/2007 18:14

Why do people feel they have to wave to say thank you? I always make eye contact wiht the driver, nod and mouth 'thank you' at them, whilst both hands are occupied manhandling dd across the road.

If nothing else, it teaches dd good manners too... wouldn't dream of not thanking someone for stopping for me.

Ripeberry · 03/06/2007 13:36

Abroad is the worst as most drivers there will speed UP if they see someone crossing and they will beep all the time.
I just kick their cars at they go by and shout through their window if its open .
Ohh i'm in a mood today!
AB

emsiewill · 03/06/2007 12:47

I drive past a school on my way to work. Outside it there is a pedestrian crossing, with a lollipop man. It's the sort that doesn't have flashing amber, just the normal traffic light sequence (ie green, amber, red, red/amber, green etc etc). It's amazing how many people go through the lights when they are still on red, just because the lollipop man has crossed the people over, and there's no one else crossing. It's as though they can't see the red light.

He always looks intently at the car, so I hope he is noting the registration and reports them all, stupid idiots...

binker · 03/06/2007 12:44

I don't usually acknowledge drivers at lights or zebras when crossing but as a driver go absolutely mad if people don't just put a hand up in thanks when crossing at non-crossings...

evenhope · 03/06/2007 12:39

ooh Mrs Who, we had that happen the other day. Not one but three cars went through on red. Luckily DH was behind me with the pram

MrsWho · 03/06/2007 11:55

And what about the people who don't stop at pedestrian crssings and the traffic lights are on red we had that the other day and the bloke just missed us

KerryMum · 03/06/2007 11:33

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wheresthehamster · 03/06/2007 11:25

I don't expect people to thank me, although it's nice, but I always nod or smile at a driver who stops for us.

Furrymummy · 03/06/2007 11:24

Very sensible KerryMum.
However, if someone was waiting at a crossing and I had some Barryboy up my rear end, I would be inclined not to stop for fear of said Barryboy driving into the back of my car. Happily this is a rare occurance.
If there was someone crossing then I would have to stop because the Highway Code says that I must.
The Highway code says that drivers need to avoid harsh braking and accelarating as a driver behind may not have sufficient time to react accordingly and therefore could cause an accident, which is why the Highway Code says that you only must stop when someone is on the crossing (even if it just a foot!). This is also because (especially on a busy street) it is much easier to spot a person who is on the crossing or just stepping onto the crossing than it is to spot someone who is standing on the pavement waiting to cross (especially when you have idiots who think that the "no parking next to a zebra crossing" couldn't possibly apply to them).
Which is why I slow down on approach to give pedestrians who may wish to cross time to step onto the crossing and for me to come to a complete stop in a safe manner, but also so that I don't impede traffic flow or cause undue alarm to the person behind me if there isn't.

KerryMum · 03/06/2007 11:13

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Wotz · 03/06/2007 11:11

I don't move onto a crossing until the driver has slowed down or stopped or indicated that they will be stopping, in both directions.

MadamePlatypus · 03/06/2007 11:05

But I had moved onto the crossing, so he did have to stop - rules for drivers:

171: Zebra crossings. As you approach a zebra crossing

  • look out for people waiting to cross and be ready to slow down or stop to let them cross
  • you MUST give way when someone has moved onto a crossing (must is in red)
  • allow more time for stopping on wet or icy roads
  • do not wave people across; this could be dangerous if another vehicle is approaching
  • be aware of pedestrians approaching from the side of the crossing.

I agree that its nice to say thank you, just not necessary in the same way as it is necessary to thank the lady in the shop for change. Its more in the category of saying hello to your neighbours.

Anyway, maybe he wasn't shouting at me at all. Maybe he was listening to a debate on the pros and cons of phonics on the radio

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Furrymummy · 03/06/2007 11:00

ScummyMummy - absolutely. Which is what I do. So the OP is not unreasonable.

ScummyMummy · 03/06/2007 10:58

171: Zebra crossings. As you approach a zebra crossing

  • look out for people waiting to cross and be ready to slow down or stop to let them cross
  • you MUST give way when someone has moved onto a crossing
  • allow more time for stopping on wet or icy roads
  • do not wave people across; this could be dangerous if another vehicle is approaching
  • be aware of pedestrians approaching from the side of the crossing. Law ZPPPCR reg 25

I think that implies an obligation to look out for pedestrians and stop.

Wotz · 03/06/2007 10:58

I do sometimes give a little wave as a thank you, but you can't remember all the time and I don't expect others to do it back.

I do wave if I am frog marching a group of school children out on a school trip....and I stand in the road like a wind turbine swinging my arms in a forward motion!

I think it is rude that the driver was sarcastic and shouted to you, especially infront of your dcs. What did he hope to achieve?

foxinsocks · 03/06/2007 10:55

reading that back, it makes it sound like he was pissed and trying to leave before the police arrived but actually, one of the cars involved in the accident belonged to a policeman (you know it's not your day when that happens!).

deepinlaundry · 03/06/2007 10:54

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