to expect DP not to whinge when I spend money on clothes for the kids?

Chicago always was a bit blue though. Seriously, do you think Guiliani will get very far in Texas?

Good for you. Me too if he gets the nomination.

Born and raised in the burbs of Chicago. Lived in Texas for ten years, and now London for 5 years. So, West of the Mississippi and I'd vote for Guiliani. In fact, I probably will vote for Guiliani.

Eleusis - I grew up in New Jersey but my parents now live in St. Louis. You?

oh do i surprised this thread is overtaken by Xenia mania? buying clothes for kids is lovely and doing shopping is fun
she seems to think most women is under educated and have nothing to do beside sitting home with theirs children.

Genidef, where are you from?

If any of my Charges Fathers had been in charge of shopping for their clothes I'd never have taken them over the door!

My present DadBoss can't even coordinate the clothes in her wardrobe on the very rare occasion he dresses her!

... and I think you should ashamed of yourself, strident feminist that you are, not to know anything about Ségolène Royal. There is lots written about her in the British media - try the Economist.

Xenia - my opinion of Ségolène Royal is my own, not my partner's - what are you talking about???

Agree totally about fiscally conservative but socially liberal. Where are these people?! Not sure about Obama though. Would vote for McCain. Love Guiliani but having observed the midwest first hand (as a transplanted north east Blue stater) know there's no chance they'll vote for a NEW YAWKER west of the Mississippi.

I don't know anything about either potential French leader. She might do very well for all I know. Just because your partner doesn't think she's up to much doesn't mean she isn't. Many French men seem to be a bit sexist so I'd take anything coming via one of those about a potential female leader with a pinch of salt. In a sense it's when we have powerful mediocre women that things are going well rather than only women who are superb getting through.

A, I bought and read that history of Misogyny last summer. It's worth reading. Written by a man. It summarised well the various wrong men have wrought on women through the last 10,000 years but I can't remember his last chapter - he looked at what Hitler did to women and did he look at the rise of conservative Islam too and the set back for women's rights in that? I think he was reasonably hopeful for the future. Not like Adam's Curse by Sykes which I read at the same time and doesn't have much good to say about the y chromosome. I suppose the female contraceptive pill hormones in the water supply might have more of an impact on man than any legislative change.

Xenia - surely you don't mean that you'd rather Ségolène Royal gets voted in, botches up the French economy even further and everyone will revile her for incompetence and attribute it to her getting in purely on feminine wiles and beauty? Because that will do women's cause a HUGE disservice...

Actually imho neither Hillary nor Obama will get in - the backwoods are full of rascist sexist rednecks who actually think Bush is a good president.

Apols for being opinionated and if I upset anyone. Though can't imagine many rednecks being on mumsnet - we are far too articulate a bunch. And clearly politically interested. And very very off-topic...sorry Julezboo!

I'd rather have Obama as president. I hope he slaughters her in the primary. The most important thing is that Hilary and specifically Hilary does not get in.

My hatred for Hilary has nothing to do with President Bush, who is of course not perfect.

As I said I would like to see a President wh ois fically conservative and socially liberal. Bush is neither.

...and Bush is of course the height of morality and in no way just out to prove he's as good as his daddy after his own mother described him as 'not that bright'....

Politicians with morals and no desire for personal gain are few and far between in every country in my opinion. You have to have an ego to think you can run a country.

There are soon going to be tons of socialists here to argue against me. Sorry, but I haven't got time. I must go. But, I am not alone in my hatred for Hilary.

Personally, I'd like to see a socially liberal fiscally conservative president. Perhaps Guilliani. I like McCain but I'm araid he's a tad too old.

YES!

I despise her with every bone of my being. There are so many reasons. She has no morals and will sacrifice the country for her own personal gain.

I can not bear the thought of the first woman president being Hillary Clinton. Not to mention Bill the slut as first man.

More so than the usual politician?

Because she is a lyer and a thief.

Genidef - why is Hillary so disliked? Do you know what it is about her?

I'm considering switching parties to vote for Obama.

This book is really interesting. It's a history of misogyny rather than finding a root cause of it, but at one point the author gives examples to show that where there are fewer women in a society (due to eg aborting females), that society becomes more misogynistic rather than less - more women means more female power.

Sadly I can't remember much more detail than that. I did find it really interesting to read - must read it again and try to retain more!

If Hillary gets the nomination in the US, it may be the first time I ever vote Republican. Unless they have a total nutter on the ballot - which is possible.

I think that also when you have a culture that ends to abort girls because they value boys more, then of course the population gets a bit skewed, and then the treatment of women improves (supply and demand).

My sister, who is staunchly feminist, think that if they want to abort because it's a girl, let them and then the women in the culture will begin to be treated a bit better.