To believe that going on holiday is a privilege and not a right?

what me and bf does is drop the children down to my mums where they stay over night and we go out for a meal and a nice walk then go home and chill out have anice lie in and then go get kids in the morning! thats what i call a break!!!!dont cost much either!!! then we all go to the park or do something special with the kids so they dont miss out

But we could all look at other people's lives and point out things they should/shouldn't be doing. It's very easy to judge when you don't know the full extent of circumstances. It's not really very nice though is it? Or productive. I guess that's my point. We all think things, but should we say them? Possibly not.

I don't see why the wife can't get a job to pay for a holiday if she wants one - 4 kids notwithstanding. Even if she got a job stacking shelves in a supermarket for a few months.

If she wants a holiday she should get off her backside and do something about it. My parents had 4 kids and we had a holiday each year (sometimes in a place called Stopathome) thanks to my Dad working all the hours God sent. I will add here that days out from home aren't the same as a holiday away esp not when your an adult. Children don't notice as much. Until they go back to school and their mates have gone to Disneyland.....

i agree too

agree with OP 100%

yep, agree sober. Aside from family squabbles, holidays not a 'right'

"I do get fed up with hearing playground mums detailing their Easter holiday, half term mini-break, Summer vacation and October 'tonic', though"

Hmm...so do I if I'm honest. And more importantly my DS#1 is beginning to get a bit fed up with only going to Cornwall every year when his classmates go to Egypt, the Bahamas, skiing etc. And we don't exactly live in an affluent area. Still.... envy isn't an attractive emotion so I try to smile and look interested....

I think it's fine to be in debt if you can afford to pay it off.

But gobbledigook - it was speedy's choice to give them money. If there are conditions attached it's best not to surely?

It's this kind of attitude that sees so many people in ridiculous amounts of debt. If they haven't got it, they just borrow it. It's frightening.

Holiday's are not a right!
We don't go away, dh will have a week off work and we'll do family stuff,go to the zoo or the park all day.

We try to get away to a cheap holiday park outside school holidays, doubt we'll go when the dc are in school due to the price.

Also, SM,
We had a loan for our honeymoon, best holiday we ever had, but, we are still paying it off now.

Of course she's being bloody unrealistic, and yes, i think it's probably partly the culture nowadays of wanting something and wanting it NOW that's to blame. Would you give your own kids whatever they ask for, whenever they ask for it? Cos I don't really see what the difference is here. If you ain't got the money, you can't afford it, end of. And if they're both currently not working, then as you quite rightly say, there's no reason why she can't look for employment, specially as it seems she's the one who wants the holiday! I certainly wouldn't want to rub anyone's face in it, and tbh I'd stay well out of it cos it's none of your business, but to answer the question, of course it's not a right!

I semi agree with OP in that yes you dont go away if you dont have the money.We go on cheap camping holidays as DH works and I am a sahm. We dont have much money but I do save towards a holiday so even if it only ends up being a weekend away we will do something. If she is avoiding the bank etc then she really needs to deal with all that as I/we used to do that and now dont as we ended up in real trouble and in a IVA now. Basically means all our money is accounted for[although they insisted food bills would cost in excess of £400 a month when we actually spend £50/60 a week].

I think everyone deserves a day off but holidays are treats and you have to earn them

If someone was helping me with my bills because I was skint, I would not dream of complaining of my lack of holidays. Bloody hell.

Speedy has paid some of her bills! Why should speedy work hard for her money, be kind enough to give some of it to help someone who is supposed to be hard up but can't be bothered to get off her lazy arse and go to work, to then have her whine in her face about not being able to go on holiday?!

It beggars belief!

IMO, it is her business if she's giving her money to help and she is still fecking moaning but not willing to do anything to help herself (by the sound of it).

She sounds like a spoiled brat! If her husband is still out of work and looking for a job why doesn't she get a job to help out in the meantime?

Me, sadly. Work related. Children brutally ignored for the duration.
Would rather have been at the pictures. With nice, civilised OLDER children ideally - or even better, on my own

was the photographer for you or the kids?!
I've just been to see Meet the Robinsons.... well the kids liked it anyway. And I do always enjoy a spot of salted popcorn in the middle of the day

Helloo! I've been pulling stilly faces for a photographer for the last hour, and dd had a spectacular tantrum in a shoe shop when she wasn't allowed to go home in a pair of boy's Doodles four sizes to big. It's all been terribly exhausting!

oooh having just read the thread I can see that only Aloha agrees with me.

That'll do me! >

why do you have a view? I can't see that it is absolutely any of your business.

It never fails to amaze me how opinionated people can be about other people's business. And then try and claim the moral high ground over it. FGS

Very true, but the OP might feel better for saying something because at least then in her own mind, she's done her bit.