To feel sympathy to the National Trust volunteers at Felbrigg Hall?

I'm not surprised.

My point is that you can't just cheerily declare 'gay rights have been established no need to worry about them anymore'. Or are you only capable of being aware of one type of discrimination at any given time. How awful for you.

Squoosh,

Not torn. I don't know what your point is.

But anyway, the emphasis on Gay rights has IMV led to a reduction in the emphasis on other rights such as race.

But with Brexit sure enough they will be the toilet cleaners a la Dubai and no one will bat an eyelid. Necessary you see.

And as for all this 'gay rights have been established' chat, well isn't there a big chunk of the UK that's still waiting on marriage equality?

Clue: It's called Northern Ireland.

Homophobic physical attacks are increasing.

Too much emphasis on Gay rights, but they have them already.

Not enough on racism. IMV anyway.

Gosh you must be really torn when it comes to the rights of gay, non caucasian minimum wage workers.

As a feminist and a woman I would think it was great that the NT wanted to celebrate women's history. I really would not want a sexist volunteer to wear a badge celebrating a cause he didn't believe in - it would cheapen it for me.

Exactly. You can't force someone into believing something, however much you may try.

Ovaries, I dont mean any disrespect here but homophobic attacks surely don't point to inequality really do they?

It points to deep-rooted attitudes about homosexuality and all identities that fall under the banner (bi, ace erasure and denial etc), many of which have their basis in the legislative inequality of the past. Hatred of gay people doesn't occur in a vacuum.

I think Pride and gestures like the rainbow badges etc are an important reminder, while we wait for those who think homosexuality is a sin or that you can catch "the gay" to die out, that we should never return to the old ways. It also feels particularly pertinent now that the US has a president who would gladly make it legal to discriminate against gay people on the basis of their sexuality, and now that we have a prime minister who appears to worship the ground Trump walks on and panders to right-wing ultra-conservative bigot parties.

Too much emphasis on Gay rights, but they have them already.

Not enough on racism. IMV anyway. You know, those poor people who clean our toilets, wash our sick and elderly and so on. But they are either Black or Filipino or whatever, not native Brits anyway.

Gay rights have been established. You would be terrified to say otherwise. See the point?

I admit I haven't read the entire thread. However, I'm going by the OP and the link.
I must admit I'm torn.
On the one hand, I want everyone to be included, everyone to be the same.Of course I do. Absolutely no issue with different sexualities whether straight, gay, bi.
Then on the other hand, I have a real problem with others forcing their beliefs onto others.
You can't TELL people what they should and shouldn't believe, and what they should and shouldn't support.
Which this badge wearing is basically doing.
How is doing that any different to what others are doing to us, telling us what we should and shouldn't believe?
Each to their own.
Embrace other beliefs as well as your own and the world would be a much happier place.

Ovaries, I dont mean any disrespect here but homophobic attacks surely don't point to inequality really do they? Women are attacked every day for being women, young men for being young men, different colours, races and religions all the time too. Isn't that just people being ignorant and vicious which no amount of equality legislation will change.

Well when you consider that it's still illegal to be gay in 74 countries around the world and that homophobia is alive and kicking in the UK maybe they think it's important to send out a life affirming positive message about what it means to be gay.

Surely Gays have all the rights they need now. So what is the problem for them exactly.

Straight people get murdered and killed too.

There is no way anyone can MAKE a homophobe change, same for any other "prejudice", and murders and assaults happen every day too on everyone, gay or straight.

Gay people now have equal rights. That is fantastic.

*StripySocks1

I find it hard to feel sympathy for bigots.*

This !

I saw a rainbow today. I thought how lovely it was and didn't think about other people have sex. I like rainbowy things - because they are really nice.

I think LGBT campaigners should consider how their appropriation of the Rainbow has impacted on us Rainbow Lovers.

Is LGBT some kind of religion now?

(that's to rosey, btw)

Wow, yes, look at all the equality .

LGBT have more rights now than some others like down and outs living in squalor on our streets

So they should button it and be grateful?

I think the best thing is to ignore all this virtue signalling and just do your own thing. LGBT have more rights now than some others like down and outs living in squalor on our streets.

The National Trust is bonkers though, and they rightly stood down. Lesson to any other entity who tries to enforce their own views on anyone.

Mmmm. I think someone telling me that I must wear a badge promoting a cause would make me really not want to wear that badge, even if were a cause that I would usually espouse. Or perhaps I might want to support a different cause....perhaps "Black lives matter", or "Rights of Women", or "Autism matters", or "Combat Stress", or "Support your NHS", on a particular day, rather than LGBT. And yes, as a feminist, I have a problem with how the extreme end of the "T" part of that has thrown the rights of women in general, and lesbians in particular, under the bus. LGB? Absolutely fine. I completely support the rights of consenting adults to have sex with each other in the combinations and permutations of their choice. T...well, firstly that isn't a sexual orientation. Secondly, I support people with gender dysphoria to have the help and support that they very much need and deserve. But don't get me started on the male privileged autogynophiles. Actually, technically, they haven't just chucked women and especially lesbians under the bus. The bastards have also chucked the poor sods with gender dysphoria under the bus as well. And it's the acts of that very loud group that would also give me a hesitation over the rainbow. Despite having happily, by choice, worn one in the past.

Nicely said, babybarrister

I find it hard to feel sympathy for bigots

This is a serious fucking problem. If you don't wear our badge you're a bigot. If you don't use the exact words we say you're a bigot. If you don't think the exact same way you are a bigot.

There is no reason to think these people are bigots, and its fucking offensive to assume they are. And unbelievably arrogant and self centred as well.

OvariesBeforeBrovaries

"I find it so utterly depressing that LGBT+ rights are still seen as a "cause" that people can just shrug their shoulders and say "Well, they can choose whether to support it or not" ."

Interesting that you then say

I don't know where I stand on the trans arguments.

As you infer that in the first instance that you should automatically support them.

Its a conundrum when everything isn't black and white.

Bloody hell - you have a bit of interest in architecture, gardens, antiques and artifacts and happen to have a 'stately' nearby and with some time on your hands you give some of it. Next thing you know your being asked to wear socio-politico-artismo-whateveryou know badges and bandanas.

And banished to 'downstairs' duties if you don't.

I'd be fuming, drawing diagrams, calling CAB and LTB.