not to feel even slightly guilty

Well, seeing as you couldn't be ar$ed to ask her politely to move and just barged your way past then yes, you are both unreasonable not to feel guilty and unbelievably rude. In fact, I think you are unreasonable and rude even if you had asked TBH, there's no excuse for barging past and then thinking it amusing that you've damaged someone's property whilst doing so.

In a word 'yes'. I used to be like a primed explosive device - ready to go off. I'm quite mellow now, but it has taken a lot of work.

Is that why you are called Handlemecarefully Handlemecarefully?

Wow I sound a bit scary there. I hasten to add I am quite well controlled now before everyone raises a nutter alert and runs for the hills

I do think bakedpotato should exercise more care though. If I had been the owner of the puffy jacket (unlikely on 3 levels - I don't do puffy jackets, I don't do buses, and I would have probably anticipated and moved out of the way...but go with this a minute), it's quite possible I could have had a red mist moment and walloped bakedpotato.

I have been struggling to contain my propensity to violence when under provocation (quite well actually since I've had children I am thankful to say) most of my life, but my composure might have involuntarily fractured in this instance. Beware Bakedpotato - there are similar nutters to me out there who if you cross them would give you a good hiding irrespective of who is watching (because people who have issues with their anger strike out unthinkingly ..it's not always a very aware and conscious act..and they only regret it later)

What shade of green was it?

I'm envisaging acid lime green....

But when you're on a crowded bus and there are people trying to get down the aisle, surely obvious enough that you need to move your bag, even without being asked?
Even when I am completely zoned out on public transport I don't leave my bags in the aisle.

As get older it gets harder to hear and to move quickly. So she may well not have heard. Also you don't know how she might have felt that day. She could be on her way to have cancer treatment at hospital etc so yes you were wrong.

well, in the op she states that she was getting a bit of a kick out of it....in what category does that fall then, if not in the almost proud one...

No, Dominic, that is not BP's ethical position, it is her practical one: her ethical position is that it's OK to behave like that to a bloke, her practical point is that it might incur some physical risk.

And can I point out, yet again, that all BP is saying is that she doesn't feel guilty - she is not in fact saying she's particularly proud of it, just that she can't be @rsed to be guilty.

Hm...speed reading the thread, I assume you didn't ask her politely to let you past, and teherefore you weere defiantely unreasonable...I mean, I am pretty sure on PT a lot of people just switch off and may not notice something they otherwise would have...I know, that unless I got Kids with my I sort of possibly dose off or something...doesn't make me an ignorant person, I would say.
So, I think you were wrong to damage someone elses property and feel good about it!
And yes, what sort of example are you setting your Kids!
I can understand that you were annoyed at the time, but it's not an excuse!

I got bored part way through this thread... Did you ask her to move out of the way at all or not?

I know ripping a coat is wrong blah blah blah but this did make me snigger

By tiredemma on Tue 27-Mar-07 22:05:19
was it a 'bomber' jacket?

I hate those

I am entertained that bakedpotato's ethical position is that it's OK to do it to a bloke, just as long as she does it at a time when she confident he won't do anything about it.
Do you really see that as ethically different ?

She also doesn't say how she knew for a fact that the woman wasn't disabled or otherwise unable to move her bag quickly ?

Evaluating disability when you're a doctor examining a patient isn't foolproof; is she really saying that whilst navigating a buggy she can spot it on sight.

If so, she's wasting a major talent...

Any act to the detriment of others, must take into account your ability to judge them correctly, else it's just being a thug who gets away with it.

The coat was in the aisle?

But Pennies, surely by leaving it in the aisle the woman was not treating her own coat with much sensitivity?

Hey bakedpotato, I would have done exactly the same as you! Unfortunately some people in this world just can't be bothered! Good on you! I'm a small girl & find myself forever jumping out of people's way (bump or no bump) who pretend not to see me, otherwsie I get knocked off my feet!

The whole point of this thread is that you DID notice the rip.

She can treat her coat how she pleases. It is you who should have "utmost sensitivity" towards items which do not belong to you.

Well, it's quits then I guess !

To return to the original topic, which - iirc - was Brockwell Park: yes, I'd be on for a meet-up. Tho only if we all disrespeck someone with extreme prejudice on the bus on the way there.