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to be put off by the amount of money spent to make programs for comedy relief?

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purplemonkeydishwasher · 16/03/2007 10:02

Surely they could just put that money to good use here and abroad.

AND I'm absolutely DISGUSTED by the gluttony and drunkeness in the Fame Academy house. they are doing this for STARVING people. Get a grip on reality.

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hannahsaunt · 20/03/2007 14:14

Again haven't read all the posts but wanted to reinforce NoNoNo's point about capacity building and focussed projects - what a joy it was to see the hospital in one of the VTs during Comic Relief - it had been built, staffed, stocked and funded on a sustainable basis because CR takes it's job very seriously and works with the local people. Not, for example, like the Swedish government who thought it would be a jolly good thing to build a hospital in Malawi because it had some cash and a hospital seemed like a noble cause - shame it wasn't costed properly because although a great big concrete box has been built, there was no money left to equip it, staff it, stock it and fund it on an ongoing basis so it's sitting there like a great big folly.

So what if it takes having a good time to persuade people to part with their cash or to have to provide entertainment to persuade people to part with their cash - it's better than not persuading them at all.

NoNoNoNO · 20/03/2007 13:58

OK, I admit, I haven't read all the posts in this thread, but I wanted to add a few things

  1. Not all "charity" giving is the same. It's not all hand-outs and unsustainable stuff. Very often it's capacity building, or empowerment of local community groups, with the aim of getting them up and runnign so they don't need support any more

  2. Having said that, sometimes before you can build capcaity, you need to feed people.

  3. Suzy's right that the choices we make about sweatshop clothes matter as much as giving to charity.

  4. smaller charities can be very focussed and effective, even if they are not as big as comic relief. That example posted by gobshite of
    Soweto Connection is a good example. If they're staffed by volunteers, you can be sure all your money is getting to work overseas. If not, they would probably grow more, and take in more money. It's a trade-off. Personally, I prefer to support the small ones.

5)I don't think anyone seriously thinks big companies care - personally I don't give a damn of they care or not, as long as their concept of corporate social responsibility drives them to give some money to people who are doing some good with it. Same with celebs and their concept of self-publicity

wannaBeWhateverIWannaBe · 17/03/2007 23:15

Oh how easy it is to sit in our nice comfortable lives and decide how things should be.

?companies should pay their employees a living wage?. Of course, but at what cost? If they stop employing people in foreign countries and use people in the UK instead, they are employing UK citizens and contributing towards the increase in employment in this country, but at the same time they are taking away jobs from those who perhaps need them more, for whom that small wage helps to contribute towards feeding, clothing, educating their children, and who, without that small wage, might not live to see the next month, the next year, whose children might not survive. If they increase the wages of the staff in the countries where they are currently employing, it has potential to have a massive impact on the economy of that country. Let?s not forget that these countries are often poor countries, where the majority of the inhabitants live below the breadline, and where the majority of businesses simply can?t afford to pay their employees a decent wage. Then a big corporation comes in and starts to pay its employees way above what other companies are paying. You then create a financial divide, workers seak to go and work for the big corporations because they pay the most wages, and this leaves the little companies unable to find employees and therefore unable to trade which has an impact on the local infrastructure. It?s a bit like the big supermarkets coming in and sending the little corner shops out of business.

?governments should be providing anti retro viral drugs for aids sufferers?. Yes they should, but it goes way, way deeper than that. We can give people in Africa all the drugs they need, but this will not prevent the spread of aids, in fact it would probably exaserbate the problem. It?s about education, about cultural change. Aids is so rife in Africa because promiscuity is so rife. When a woman in Africa has a baby it is culturally acceptable for that woman?s husband to go and seak pleasure elsewhere while she is breastfeeding. It is not considered appropriate for a man to approach his wife while she is breastfeeding his young baby (first three months it is I think but could be wrong on the period of time). And so the men go off and find their pleasure elsewhere, contract HIV which they then bring back to their wives who then pass it on to the children when they are born. And safe sex is not an option because condoms are also a contraceptive, and another part of African tribal culture is that the man has to be able to father many children, and the woman has to be able to produce many children. and when condoms were brought in in the 80s and distributed free the Africans considered it a ploy from the white man to stop them ?breeding?.

You cannot fix the problem purely by throwing money at it. Many of these governments are extremely corrupt and the money would never be seen by the man on the street. And you cannot use the war in iraq as the answer to everything ?the government shouldn?t have spent all this money on the war in iraq? they did. It?s done. And they will spend money on many, many other such projects.

I don?t give a toss if a celeb gained a bit of publicity doing that. I?m sure ant and deck didn?t enjoy their trip to Africa, have you any idea what it?s like to see people starving to death? To see people living in such poverty that they don?t know if their children will survive until morning? It wasn?t a bloody jolly to the caribian, it was an insight into the third world, and if they gained a bit of publicity doing it they also gained a bloody lot of humility in the process and no doubt now are thankful they will never have to live like that.

Suzycreamcheese when you?ve been to Africa, and seen what it?s really like, then you can begin to judge those that go there to raise awareness. But until then, you have absolutely no idea, because what you see on tv doesn?t even touch the serface.

vixma · 17/03/2007 23:05

I really enjoyed comic relief, it was not only hysterically funny but extremly educational as some of the footage of others lives helped many to relise the importance of the work this Charity does. What if Comic relief did not happen? So what some celebs got a little exposure, these people would not be celebs if the public did not want to watch them in the first place which is great for Comic relief. I hope many are helped by the money I donated and many others....It may not end poverty, abuse or AIDS but atleast it can help. I will definetly be buying the Peter Kaye and Matt Lucas album on Monday.

DominiConnor · 17/03/2007 22:57

I apologise Suzicream, not only do you not read the Guardian you don't even read the posts you respond to.

To put it more simply for your benefit, my point was that charities often spend the money more efficiently the governments, and certainly in ways the government would not.
Yes, aid is often a bad thing, because the British government tries to acheive too much. The idea is to both help the recipient, as well as buying votes at home. Hence the senseless building of dams in shit countries, radars that don't work, and of course the laughable insanity of buying British figher jets.

That being said a major cause of the problems with shit countries is the way they "run" themselves. It would be mad to give money to their so-called governments without trying to stop them using it all to buy new cars, and villas in France.

I don't accept the 650,000 number of dead in Iraq, indeed I don't believe any number that is cited simply because every single source of numbers I've seen has proven themselves dishonestly stupid.

Comic relief is not in a position to alter British strategy in Iraq. Trust me on this. They can't redraw the borders of African countries more rationally, and they lack the capbility of killing the 2-300 people you need to be rid of in Zimbabwe.
So should they just give up ?

suzycreamcheese · 17/03/2007 22:37

dominiconnor..your comments are mad!

how much has UK spent on iraqi war? it sure did make it better place for the 650,000 dead didn't it....aid is given with conditions, caveats etc...

its nice you all want the fuzzy warm glow from helping those less well off etc without thinking WHY they are...

enjoy your sweatshop made clothes; cheap supermarket food that puts farmers out of business...

i dont think you guys read the posts tbh..

2mum · 17/03/2007 22:16

I agree totally, me and my dh were discussing this last night while watching Comic Relief. And also there were a few jokes in Comic Relief by a few comedians that i think shouldnt have been said as it might have offended some viewers.

2mum · 17/03/2007 22:16

I agree totally, me and my dh were discussing this last night while watcing Comic Relief. And also there were a few jokes in Comic Relief by a few comedians that i think shouldnt have been said as it might have offended some viewers.

suzycreamcheese · 17/03/2007 21:58

dominiconnor....you are so wrong re my reading habits...gag..i cant abide the guardian..it makes me wanna puke...

FioFio · 17/03/2007 19:45

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gobshite · 17/03/2007 19:41

you're talking a lot of sense, DC.

DominiConnor · 17/03/2007 18:31

Also, don't forget that they are Celebs because they are world class at getting their message across.
Usually of course the message is "shopping" or "farts are funny"
But the Ant n Dec pieces were masterpieces of emotional manipulation, I am thankful such talent is not the hands of some political or relgious group.
But that is the point isn't it ?
Charity is a form of politics, which is why the hard of thinking don't like it. They tend to cluster on the left who think that all spending should be "democratic", ie by the government.

Comic Relief is a very small % of the money Britain spends on making the world a less shit place. But they don't spend it the same way as the government, or in ways they approve of, which is a useful annoyance.

zippitippitoes · 17/03/2007 16:52

well they live nearby and i did a part time art degree with his wife..quite cutting edge art actually she is quite political feminist very interesting and Italian classes with both of them

Blandmum · 17/03/2007 16:47

zippi, I'm impressed!

Blandmum · 17/03/2007 16:46

Yes, I must stop running a macmillan coffee morning for my sixth form and go sit on a spike instead! Afterall, they might like me for being a nice person and that might make them behave more in class, and they will do better in the exams and that will benefit my career!

So I am blatently 'using' the sufferening of cancer patients to promote my own flagging career as a science teacher

zippitippitoes · 17/03/2007 16:44

and I should say that andrew davies is absolutely lovely in case my post suggested anything else..I do actually know him and his wife slightly

Rantum · 17/03/2007 16:42

Yeah, agree there Martian. You've gotta love that fuzzy feeling - and if it helps someone else, who cares if it also makes me feel like a slightly more "worthy" person, right?

Rantum · 17/03/2007 16:38

sorry zippi - did wonder if i was misreading your post, but stormed ahead anyway - forgive me?

Blandmum · 17/03/2007 16:38

and isn't it a little unrealistic to expect people to spend their time for utterly altruistic reasons?

Isn't all charity work founded, at least in part, on the nice feeling that doing 'good deeds' gives you? Hand on heart I would have to say I like the 'warm fuzzy' I get from helping out with stuff.

Should I stop, since doing stuff for charity is obviously helping me to a degree.

zippitippitoes · 17/03/2007 16:37

ahem I'm agreeing with you rantum I think

or that was the idea anyway.....

Rantum · 17/03/2007 16:35

And if an expensive, well written period drama launched an appeal to raise money for charity I would probably thank god that some decent telly was on and then give some money to the charity.

Giving money to charity needn't be an exercise in puritanism.

Rantum · 17/03/2007 16:33

Maybe zippi, but Comic Relief is worth actually watching because many of the participating celebrities have REAL talent, and you have the opportunity to give a wee bit of money to a good cause.

I would rather watch CR than Big Brother (whether or not it is cheaper) any day.

Blandmum · 17/03/2007 16:29

Gosh, what next? We shouldn't do the Macmillan Coffee morning, because it adds to the coffers of the coffee industry?

In reality you need big money if you want to do lots of stuff. If you were to try to equal the money raised by RND by having jumble sales you'd be there for ever.

I went round traying to collect money for Marie Curie no so long ago. in 4 hours I raised £16. This year I just sent them a donation.

zippitippitoes · 17/03/2007 16:29

but these programmes are cheap that is one reason why there are so many..it is tasteful period dramas filmed on location and with big stars and written by andrew davies which are expensive surely

noddyholder · 17/03/2007 16:21

We have become a society who have to politicise everything!We can never just accept anything even if it is mainly for the good!I am as quick as the next person to challenge hypocrisy etc blah blah but fgs can't we just accept some things at face value and not question them into the ground

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