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Calling pedants, teachers, wordsmiths and class warriors.

469 replies

shylock · 14/03/2007 08:22

I have a question.

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NotQuiteCockney · 14/03/2007 11:31

What, pray tell, is "non-art"? How does one differentiate it from "art"?

And I'm still waiting for the scientific bit.

(Are the 'ignorant', the same people who have ugly accents?)

KathyMCMLXXII · 14/03/2007 11:31

I was hoping for some kind of reference to a research paper actually Anna!

AitchYouBerk · 14/03/2007 11:30

yeah, she read it in a magazine. wot's your point, kaffy?

Ellbell · 14/03/2007 11:30

[ignores row going on all around her that broke out while typing long and now irrelevant post]

Come on Bink... I'm sure we can do something with 'web' and '[inter-]weaving'.... There MUST be a word for this...

Anna8888 · 14/03/2007 11:30

Absolutely, since political correctness has encouraged the ignorant to buy into the idea of non-art, much of which is repulsively ugly

KathyMCMLXXII · 14/03/2007 11:28

Scientific evidence that our sense of beauty is distorted by political correctness? Really, Anna?

AitchYouBerk · 14/03/2007 11:28

tsk, snowleopard... have him.

Molesworth · 14/03/2007 11:27

oops, I forgot to add the

snowleopard · 14/03/2007 11:27

You can 'ave him!

Molesworth · 14/03/2007 11:26

Ken Clarke's mine

snowleopard · 14/03/2007 11:25

I know that's what they say, but I'm convinced it's arse. few of us have symmetrical faces, including many of the (as widely agreed upon) most beautiful people in the world. My DP has a wonky face and he is a handsome rogue.

Bink · 14/03/2007 11:25

Mulls ... There needs to be a word, I think, like counterpoint or subplot, or maybe something to do with weaving, for the parallel-universe-effect of the interwoven chatroom thread digression.

NotQuiteCockney · 14/03/2007 11:23

Facial human beauty is not entirely subjective, it's true - we want symmetrical faces with particular ratios between the facial features.

snowleopard · 14/03/2007 11:23

Prezza is my shagpiece - in a world of subjective beauty.

NotQuiteCockney · 14/03/2007 11:22

Eh, I think snowleapord is making plenty of sense. The 'beauty' of any given dialect is pretty subjective, and class-related.

AitchYouBerk · 14/03/2007 11:22

no need to be so rude to SL, anna.

snowleopard · 14/03/2007 11:22

Blimey, that post was a bit rude Anna. I'll see if I can come up with something really special and coherent for you later.

pointydog · 14/03/2007 11:21

I knew this would happen with a pedant thread. What's John Prescott got to do with it?

AitchYouBerk · 14/03/2007 11:21

actually, snowleopard, the scienticically defined 'ideal face' looks exactly like liz hurley. i'm not sure if that undermines your point or supports it...

Anna8888 · 14/03/2007 11:21

though you are wrong about beauty being subjective, there is plenty of scientific evidence that we are born with an innate sense of beauty but that it gets distorted by our ugly surroundings and political correctness

Molesworth · 14/03/2007 11:20

aitch

Anna8888 · 14/03/2007 11:19

snowleopard - yes you are rambling, come back later when you've sorted out your thoughts and I'll discount this post...

AitchYouBerk · 14/03/2007 11:19

no wonder, shylock, if it goes around handing out 2:1s to people who can't speak English properly...

snowleopard · 14/03/2007 11:18

Depends, I'm using ugly in a kind of generally accepted sense within the parameters of our society, so yes, but that doesn't mean I think ugliness and beauty are absolute truths - of people or accents. They are prime example of things that are defined by cultural norms, not empirical measurements (though scientists do try, but have you noticed that whenever they come up with some scientifically defined "ideal face" it always looks very dull and blank, not beautiful at all?)

God I'm really rabmling now and have to fit a bit of work in (in between by bedroom bouts with Prezza obviously)

Pruni · 14/03/2007 11:17

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