To be utterly disgusted and depressed that women think its ok to make small penis gags?

I hate that. Not every woman wants a large penis, I am short and even after having a baby years ago and after the menopause I can only manage a small one. My ex husband had a very large penis and I hated it, it was always painful and put me right off sex.

I completely agree with you OP.

I never understand the 2 wrongs don't make a right thing. So basically, if someone attacks you, you are not allowed to retaliate. Crap.

Of course you are.

Retaliating with a well thought out argument against body shaming = Right.

Retaliating with a playground "Yeah but you've got a small willy innit" = Wrong.

'Handmaiden' is a sexist insult, sometimes thrown at women on MN, by some other women who claim to be feminists.

Ironic really.

100% agree OP

My ex-boyfriend with a much smaller than average penis was excellent in bed - it really was "like a penis, only smaller" though, compounded by the fact he was 6'5"

He joked about it "compact & bijou" - I never mentioned the size at all - why would I?

Some of the nastiest teasing I ever had at school was about my small bust - once happened in a language lesson & the teacher played along with it

The rest was about my glasses & spots, as if I could do much about any of those things

Ironically, I've heard comments re men and small dicks most often in circumstances where men have been behaving like big dicks... throwing their weight around, grandstanding or posturing, etc.

WTF is a handmaiden? Is that a lazy insult for someone who thinks that women are equal rather than superior?

Not nice no, but many men make comments about a woman's size, hair, face, boobs, etc, so ........... I guess it's just backlash.

I never understand the 2 wrongs don't make a right thing. So basically, if someone attacks you, you are not allowed to retaliate. Crap.

MN is full of double-standards though

MN has several million disparate and separate individuals posting on it. It's not one homogenous mass.

LadyRoseate I agree with both of your posts

Very eloquently put.

YANBU.

For the same reason I don't really like it when people suggest violence towards men. I do understand why and that those jokes don't carry the same threat level as the same thing male-on-female - BUT I still think "don't say that, it wouldn't be OK for a man to say that". And I don't like it in things like Disney films where the heroine can whack the man with a frying pan etc. If she's in danger then yes, but otherwise it's just maintaining gender differences.

Because ultimately we'd like to get to the point where we all are equally valued and there isn't an unequal playing field (wouldn't we?). So at some point along that journey, acting as if men and women have different rights as relates to violently attacking or body shaming the opposite sex, has to stop.

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Bertrand why do you need to mention a man's penis size at all? It's not tit for tat. Body shaming insults are wrong. Full stop. So no one, male or female, should use them.

Why is that so hard to understand?"

I agree. And it isn't. I was going to say I never do- then I remembered a few car related incidents and realised that I couldn't, in honestly say that!

Itsmine- we're agreeing, aren't we? [confused emoticon]

I agree it's not okay for anyone to body shame anyone.

Women's intimate body parts are always spoken about in a derogatory way by men.

Simply not true. I'd listen to the rest of what you have to say if you had said, correctly:

Women's intimate body parts are always spoken about in a derogatory way by SOME men.

I agree it's never OK.

I was out with a group of school mums last week and one regaled us with a tale of an ex who 'had a willy the size of a thumb'. There were hoots of derision and expressions of horror and comments like 'no wonder you dumped him!' and 'omg what did you do with that?'.

It left me feeling really uncomfortable.

Women's intimate body parts are always spoken about in a derogatory way by men. I've been called a 'flat-chested bitch' by a group of men who were pissed off that I ignored their wolf whistles. I've been told that I'm a 'bucket-fanny slag' after I refused to go home with a man. I have also repeatedly heard various angry men refer to their ex-girlfriend's vulvas in foul ways to try and humiliate them. So quite honestly I think instead of being outraged at the pretty tame 'small penis' insult, you should be more outraged at the number of people (male and female) who think name calling and crude comments about a person's private parts and number of sexual partners are an acceptable way to vent their anger or disappointment.

Not read whole thread but I agree OP. I don't ever do it, I wouldn't say it to other women or to a man, for this exact reason. I'm a massive feminist, feminism is about equality, and if it's not OK for men to body-shame women, it's not OK in reverse. (EVEN IF it's not a level playing field - because I want to move away from the nastiness, not get revenge.)

I also think it's a distraction from the very problematic behaviours we do see from a lot of men which can and should be addressed. You can't do anything about the size of your penis. You CAN make sure you're not abusive to women, a rapist or a lazy/strategically incompetent bastard domestically.

Picking on penis size will not fix those issues, it will just make men more insecure, and IMO thence arises a lot of their anger and aggression. (Not that that makes women responsible for it, but it's still not helpful.)

And yes the culture of small penis criticism must be devastating for perfectly nice small-penised men.

Thing is though the thread I question involved a disgusting text from the man first.
So if someone says something horrible to you you're not allowed to retaliate?
Surely it's giving some one a taste of their own medicine?

I could understand being outraged due to people making these horrible comments to strangers or people who haven't been horrible misogynistic pricks in the first place?

If course it's not okay to comment on peoples bodies,
But if someone sets out to be nasty and make me feel bad then damn right I'm going to cut them off at the knees.

Maybe so Lass but I object to getting a lecture without any acknowledgement of this being a daily occurrence for women. The fact that this is about the cock is because the everything is so cock based. Women didn't make it so

That is an irrelevant point. Make your own thread if that is what you want to discuss. And still does not justify you calling posters handmaidens.

So far as it not being women who make it all about penis, you must have missed the "worst date ever " thread of which about every second post was about small or odd shaped penises

A small penis never made anyone gag