Girls told to wear longer skirts at school because the boys are distracted and male teachers feel uncomfortable.

If their underwear is visible when they're walking up stairs then they should be required to wear longer skirts. Teenage boys are going to look. If male teachers are "uncomfortable" however, that is creepy and weird and they are in the wrong job. They should NEVER be sexually distracted by children.

Stupid Samsung update on having to 're teach autocorrect everything again grrr..

Sure you can figure out what it really meant though

I like the sounds of hunukkiate people I think I will go and threaten my GC, who are currently fighting like a pair of cats in a sack, "Granny is going to hunukkiate you if you don't stop." Wonder if it will work?

- I do think it's unnecessarily distracting for the boys who let's face it, are very much at the mercy of teen hormones. I don't think it's fair to either the boys or male teachers to have to face girls dressed in such a provocative way. It puts the male teachers in particular at risk of all sorts of accusations -
At the mercy of teen hormones!! Seriously!!

Let's hope none of these teen boys or grown men who struggle so much with the provocative way girls dress, are ever say on a beach or swimming pool. How on earth could they possible control themselves and not become so distracted they drown or something. And what about male swimming teachers or pe teachers, they must surely have accusations thrown at them all the time, being around all those scantly clad girls!

I was never a massive rule breaker at school, my skirt was probably a couple of inches shorter than the regulation no more than 2 inches above knee, I had some lace on my white bras and wore a small amount of makeup, maybe snuck the odd bit of jewellery on.
Trousers were my bug bear as I just couldn't get school approved trousers that fit with out being tight on my bum, I'm small size 6/8 but I have boobs and a bum, but a tiny waist, so trousers without a bit of stretch wouldn't fit my bum or would be too big on my waist. And no Lycra allowed! A teacher used to actually pull your trousers to see if they stretched! Yet I saw plenty of boys in trousers fitting tight over their bums.

Yes have a uniform policy, but make it fair and accept that not everyone's bodies are the same. And don't tell teen girls that they are in any way responsible for the actions of boys or men and that they should have to think about what they wear in realtion to how males will look at them!!

The vast majority of girls are perfectly capable of wearing school uniform, and wear it inappropriately because they want to. If you walk around any secondary school you'll see plenty of larger girls with bigger boobs who do manage to wear correct uniform. I've taught some today. They actually looked pretty smart. Unlike the ones who had hoiked their skirts right up, showing acres of thigh. Besides which, whinging about the skirts is pretty irrelevant in almost all state schools, as the girls are allowed to wear trousers.

I'm not particularly pro-uniform but I think that an awful lot of the excuses trotted out by people for not wearing correct uniform are bollocks.

I'm the mum of teen boys and a teen girl. I absolutely hate the way that a lot of the girls dress - I do think it's unnecessarily distracting for the boys who let's face it, are very much at the mercy of teen hormones. I don't think it's fair to either the boys or male teachers to have to face girls dressed in such a provocative way. It puts the male teachers in particular at risk of all sorts of accusations - yes they should have control and I am certain that nearly all don't take advantage, but accusations can be made by teenaged girls and can ruin a teacher's life.

I also think that girls should be taught that they have to dress modestly in certain situations - I personally don't think that the Friday and Saturday night clubbers are dressed particularly well when they have vast amounts of cleavage and leg on show. But that's not my business and they can do what they like. Workwear - which is what school uniform is - should be appropriate for all persons in the school from the children through to the head. Some heads to need to have a word with some of the female teachers as well.

Kids can of course dress in what they like when not in school - though personally I think the belt, tights and half a t shirt as an outfit is a bit chilly.

Male teachers also have to be aware of accusations agaisnt them. It's other people thinking they're looking at the girls' legs that they might be worried about.

Agree with giles

Giles

Bit then if course just to really take the piss they then have to hunukkiate people further with pe kits...

Squeezing everyone into cycling shorts and teeny tennis/netball skirts

Well let's fave it a large percentage if the "rules" wouldn't be needed if somewhere along the line someone hasn't just assumed getting the girls to look like the boys get let's throw in a particularly unflattering never gonna fit everyone because well..puberty...skirt to make it look like we mean it and assume everything is going to be ok.

Scholl u inform as it stands really is not suitable for girls. It basically emphasises any body problem a person may have

No boobs, well great let everyone see you are still in a crop top age 14 cos the shirts are see though. Big boobs well what a nice look it it to have to either be busting out the seams if your uniform regulation shirt or hope to God no one notices it's not the logo shirt cos none fit. Never mind the fact that white bras in some sizes are hard to source we will put any girl who is wearing the wrong colour bra in isolation and introduce a blazer then make then sit and roast in it because they are in trouble if we see the very underwear we had to go out and buy because we can see it through the white shirts school Insist on. Who cares that girls have to sir there in blazers the size of a tent swamped to fuck just because they have breasts...

And the skirts. If you are very slim and have to size down several sizes it's always going to be too short.

If you are on the curvy side well I heard parachutes are in fashion probably be told it's too long then.... and if xourse any trousers that might actually fit are the wrong style because the entire population has the perfect figure for the 2 approved styles don't they

We end up with threads like the other one where a girl gained a couple of pounds and theyndecuded her thighs changed the whole style if trousers from previously ok to the forbidden skinnys. Way to givd a girl issues.

Who the fuck really thinks uniforms are remotely fit for purpose when the very rules girls are being given detentions for breaking only exist because instead of looking at the issue as a whole some idiot just thought that a boys uniform could be transferred over to a girl and we can throw in a skirt and all will be ok...

And then they wonder why people take the one opportunity there is to not hide the fact there's a body somewhere under the sacks and sheets and roll up a skirt

Interesting topic! School should be a place to learn not a blooming fashion parade. Yes, I get that children want to express their individuality but essentially, you wear a uniform for several good reasons (school identity, levelling etc). I think to blame boys and male teachers for the uniform rule is ridiculous by the school. But....should a girl be wearing a really short skirt to school? It's not an appropriate place, IMHO

Regarding the attracting the opposite sex argument, I think actually at school it's less of a problem, as the kids are familiar with each other and largely not ogling.

But... near the dcs' school is a car wash. Apparently there has been leering as some of the girls walk past, and gesturing and miming about skirts.

So I think it's also about perception out of school very much as well as in it.

Best idea would be to get rid if uniform altogether.

If the whole idea wasn't to hide any evidence of the fact you may actually be female like we shouldn't even be there then there wouldn't be This "problem"

And when own clothes wouldn't be such a novelty people would just wear jeans and t shirts like everywhere else that doesn't have a uniform.

Is it not possible for a girl to do something because she likes to without it needing to be "for" somebody.

If these girls are dressing like that at home when no-one's there to see them I believe you! Plus no you can't always just do what you like and do need to consider the effects on others.

It's a bit naive to suggest that male teachers may not be distracted by seeing teenage girls mincing about in clothing that doesn't cover their underwear!

Teachers can of course control their behaviour and where they look, and of course they should, but we are all human and many of these girls are sexually mature. It is completely different from a teacher who is distracted by a primary age child in a pair of tight leggings for example.

I don't see anything wrong with girls (and boys) learning that more modest clothes are suitable for the workplace or school and more revealing clothes more suitable for the bedroom, gym , or a night out.

There are definitely some double standards at work here, people saying that boys/men should just not be affected by girls dressing in this way. The whole reason for dressing like that is to attract attention. If women wore extremely short skirts or neon underwear that was on show in our office, it would be obvious that they were doing it to attract attention and they would likely get a lot of disapproval from both male and female colleagues.

Is it not possible for a girl to do something because she likes to without it needing to be "for" somebody.

It is possible or course... But I think it's naive to think that most teenage girls who wear very short skirts are not doing so to be sexually appealing to boys, and/or to be seen by other girls to be attractive to the opposite sex. It's not just teenage boys who are a seething mess of hormones! An overly sexed environment is not conducive to good education, so if either sex is acting in a way which is overly sexualised, be that in their clothing or otherwise, the school should take action.

The only thing that bothers me here is the gender specific teacher who feels uncomfortable.
I can assure you that as a female teacher there are times when walking ups stairs at work without catching an eyeful is pretty damn challenging (depending which school I am in at the time).
Yes I'm female, yes it makes me feel uncomfortable, and yes, I think that the school should be policing it for the good of the entire community.

MaisyPops you have the same thoughts as I do. Put better than i could.

SeekEveryKnownHidingPlace nails it.

It is reasonable in its rationale that professional length skirts are appropriate and very short ones are not.

It is not reasonable if that rationale has anything to do with how men and boys might feel about it.

Tell them 'that skirt is too short for school'. Not 'that skirt is too short for men and boys to have to cope with'. Easy.

Sparkling we haven't established that boys don't show their pants at school, simply that you wouldn't send your son to a school with no uniform.

Some boys do - like the school up the road from me.

Outline of a bra, no biggie.

What drove me mad was the trend for wearing bright neon bras under white shirts. Apparently it wasnt done for peoppe to notice at all(?!?!?!) and anyone who commented was clearly weird for noticing girls underwear. Loads of comments on social media targeted a particular school near me calling staff all kinds of things for daring to suggest that deliberately wearing underwear to be seen isnt really appropriate.

I think seeing the band at the top of underpants is a bit different to seeing the crotch of pants. It is highly unlikely you would see the business end of boys underpants even if their trousers are a bit low. With very short skirts it hard to avoid.

Or maybe a bra strap?

I know Sparklingbrook almost as awful as the poor boys having to see the outline of my bra