Girls told to wear longer skirts at school because the boys are distracted and male teachers feel uncomfortable.

clarybeanhirshsndne

You must be right. Men don't find women's bodies physically attractive . How stupid of me to think that.

ElisavetaFartsonira:

I feel like we're going in circles here. I have explained why I don't think you are right but you are repeating your reasoning. That's fine, but I have nothing to add to mine so I will leave it there.

I think sometimes schools can make things worse. Once you make an issue of something it makes young girls and boys want to rebel. When i was at school we used to roll our skirts up as soon as we got outside, not to attract boys but just to be awkward. But now i'm older i do see the sense in having rules on what clothes are acceptable for school.

Is OP coming back?

Because it is a law of nature that boys/men find womens bodies physically attractive. Women also towards men but to a much lesser extent

Lesser extent?

Yeah... You are delusional. Females are simply taught to keep their emotions (sexual or otherwise) acceptable (non-threatening/violent) and told that they're weak and hormonal if it somehow distracts them/keeps them from being productive?

Boys? no, with boys it's the "law of nature" and the girls distracting them... They aren't weak/silly/hormonal. No, they're simply having a "natural reaction".

I am 100% certain that the discomfort of male teachers is NOTHING to do with sexual interest and everything to do with it laying then open to malicious allegations if they challenge the girl on her inappropriate attire!

Really? Or is it just that as an adult you don't really want to see anyone's underwear.

NancyWake:

On my school the female PE teachers take the girls and the male PE teachers take the boys swimming/changing etc.

Being realistic, a teacher walking into a swimming pool EXPECTS to see teenagers in swimming gear. It isn't a shock or a surprise, isn't sexual, and it shouldn't ever be an issue.

However, if you see something totally unexpectedly that, in any other context, you might find arousing, and become aroused, it is a slightly different kettle of fish. I would be horrified if a male teacher got an erection because he saw a Y8 girls' knickers. Disgusted and horrified and yes, I would want to see him leave the profession and would report him myself. But a Y11 girl of 16? I would have to report it, but I would privately accept that it wasn't him being a pervert. It was him seeing something and applying the usual connotations of sexuality to it that he might do perfectly reasonably outside the classroom (for example, in a music video where no-one would question him finding an 18 year old dancer in her underwear sexually arousing).

As I say, it shouldn't be happening.

Girls wear their skirts short to show off their legs. Same reason as they roll up their skirts. Nobody wants to see their underwear and if they have only a few inches between that and the bottom of their skirt then obviously when they are bending over or walking up stairs then anyone passing who glances in that direction will get an eyeful.

Of course it's fine for the school to mention it.

Sparkling, I have had to point it out to my Ds when he has inadvertently tucked his shirt into his boxers, round the back, which then show above his waistband. The school give demerit points for shirts not tucked in. Still trying to get him to look properly in the mirror. It can happen but it is not a good look!

I don't think that the issue is that male teachers are distracted sexually by 15 year olds?! I am a teacher and work with many extremely professional male teachers. They feel uncomfortable because it is their job to challenge all students wearing incorrect uniform. It can be very difficult for a male teacher to tell a female student that her skirt is too short/tight as they may themselves open to allegations and comments like: "You shouldn't be looking!" or accusations of being a "pervert." Girls and boys should be dressing appropriately for school, end of story. The reason shouldn't be to do with the hormonal impulses of teenage boys but that wearing short, tight skirts is not appropriate for a learning environment. I am 100% certain that the discomfort of male teachers is NOTHING to do with sexual interest and everything to do with it laying then open to malicious allegations if they challenge the girl on her inappropriate attire!

OP I think you need to get a grip here and you would be very U to challenge the school.
They could have just said - "All skirts must be purchased from the school uniform shop and must be if a certain length as is school policy." What difference would that have made? It's blatantly obvious WHY it is school policy and this school are just being honest.

This is a school not a nightclub fgs and your daughter needs to learn now that there are certain dress codes in certain spheres. What will she do when she starts work?
Of course men should be able to control themselves - and largely they do - but to suggest that they don't notice short skirts is completely ridiculous! What planet are people on? If it wasn't provocative, the girls wouldn't bother doing it would they - unconsciously or otherwise? This is the real world and people arguing for the "right" to wear mini skirts in school need to get over themselves.

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Because it is a law of nature that boys/men find womens bodies physically attractive. Women also towards men but to a much lesser extent.

Oh for the love of God.

I know of no school where a male teacher can see 15 year old girls getting changed for pe. There's a reason for that.

I wasn't only taking of changing rooms, but on that point, you're assuming their straight. We had two gay female PE teachers.

I have teens aged 15 and 17 and have seen many of their friends in school uniform, and done High School drop offs quite a lot over the years. Never have I seen a schoolboy's boxers.

Mind you, my electrician used to have his pants and hairy arsecrack out all the time when we got the rewiring done. Very difficult for me, as I had to keep running out of the room to sort myself out

Mine did too! They were quite distinctive because they had a fundraising / charity event message around the waistband. My partner and I actually saw them for sale when we were out once and I said (unthinkingly) "oooh they are the same pants that the electrician wears".

I also being mortified as a young girl when I decided to look at my back view, using two mirrors, in a short skirt that I liked. Yes you could see my knickers when I leant forward even slightly. Some girls might not even realise.

Because it is a law of nature that boys/men find womens bodies physically attractive. Women also towards men but to a much lesser extent.

Erm, what?

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace:

I don't, at all. It is a fact, however, that accusations are made regularly. If you are a teacher it is something you are trained to avoid by taking obvious precautions: don't be alone in a room with a student with the door closed, don't connect on social media, observe professional boundaries in conversation etc. Of course you are going be uncomfortable seeing the crotch of someone to whom you are discouraged from disclosing your first name! This isn't about saying the girls are doing anything wrong. It is about common sense and fairness for everyone.

Secondary school is a hot bed of raging hormones. Why do people expect tweens to behave like mature adults? Girls have rolled up their skirts forever.

Teenage boys will always be distracted by teenage girls and vice versa - that's why girls roll their skirts up , I think it's acceptable that uniform is adhered to so not to be distracting.

Because it is a law of nature that boys/men find womens bodies physically attractive. Women also towards men but to a much lesser extent

a law of nature?

Well I imagine they have reacted to the need and the situation as they see it now. I am sure if the boys were coming in wearing tiny shorts with their balls hanging out, or mini skirts and thongs then they would be told the same. Truth is, they probably aren't and probably never do.

Exactly. And I assume all these schools where boys wear saggy school trousers with their boxers hanging out don't have blazers that cover it.

why is nobody upset about the poor girls being distracted by underwear

Because it is a law of nature that boys/men find womens bodies physically attractive. Women also towards men but to a much lesser extent.

So a 15 year old boy seeing a 15 year old girls knickers peeking out from under her skirt will inevitably find that arrousing. A 15 year old girl seeing a 15 year old boys boxers peeking out over his trouser waistband - not arrousing

Trifleorbust

You need to have a massive word to yourself.

But if they turn round from the blackboard and suddenly see someone's crotch, it isn't a sackable offence (in my opinion) to have a physical reaction.

Seriously?

What about PE teachers? Swimming, gymnastics, changing rooms etc.

Would you argue that female teacher are equally in danger from seeing a 15 year old boy's pants?

You're giving me a bit of a headache.

The feeling is more than mutual trifle.

If we don't know that the boys need to have the uniform code reiterated (as nothing like this is mentioned in the OP's post) what on earth are you complaining about? If there was a double standard on display I would agree with you, but so far all we know is that the school felt it necessary to speak to the girls but not the boys.

If we don't know that the boys don't need the uniform code reiterating, you shouldn't have said that they don't.

And yet again, there is a double standard on display because, based on what we have been told, the school told the girls that they need to consider the males around them and has said nothing of the sort to the boys. There is no way to make that not a double standard: you can try to excuse it, but you cannot say it is something other than what it is.

Plus, there is nothing wrong with telling them that their breaches of the uniform code are having a negative effect on the boys. The code is there to make sure everyone can get on and learn, so if one group is at risk of not being able to do that because of the actions of another group, telling them so is just telling the truth.

Yes, there is everything wrong with it.

This is happening in a wider societal context which tells women that they need to consider male feelings about their behaviour and dress. The same policing does not exist for men. It is harmful to women and girls. These things are all facts.

Perpetrating it in schools is unacceptable, particularly when they could simply have been told that the uniform rules are non-optional. You cannot, however much you might like to, divorce this from the wider societal context.

But I thought bertrand's nothing sexist here folks, move on, summed it up quite well.