Girls told to wear longer skirts at school because the boys are distracted and male teachers feel uncomfortable.

itsmine:

That is what I am saying. It is totally normal for a man to find the post-pubescent female body arousing. It isn't required and it isn't always the case - your DH obviously hasn't come across this situation. But if he does, he would do his job, as I am certain male teachers do every day, and wouldn't be fired unless he behaved inappropriately. Teachers who happen to be men have the usual professional boundaries to observe, but could be fired for finding a female student's near-nudity arousing. It is unreasonable to expect them to never find a student attractive. They shouldn't have to deal with being exposed to near-nudity when it would normally be accepted that they might find that near-nudity arousing, then be fired if they do. It is unfair.

^simply whether someone may find it so as they might on a female.

Ay my daughters' school, only Years 7-8 are allowed to wear skirts. Years 9, 10 and 11 can only wear trousers. It is explained to them that it prevents issues with girls wearing skirts that are too short and that they are encouraged to wear formal, business-like uniform to prepare them for work. It is a single-sex girls' school and I think that teenagers should be taught how to dress appropriately for different settings. As a teacher I do not like to see pupils' underwear, as it is private, but it cannot always be avoided.

I teach primary and have to be very mindful of my dress. Everything I buy to wear for school, I have to jiggle about and in the changing rooms to ensure that my cleavage is not on show. I have to make sure that blouses are not too sheer to show my bra, tops do not rise up when I bend over or stretch up and show my underwear or tattoo over the top of my waistband. If a skirt has a split up the back, I make sure that it does not show too much leg.

Nancy - I don't think boys in skinny jeans or low hanging jeans was ever meant to be a seductive look confused Its not the same at all.

What's it all about then? Either way, the point is not whether it is meant to be seductive, I don't believe girls wear mini skirts in the main to be seductive, simply whether someone may find as they might on a female.

Well if the school doesn't have a uniform they will have to deal with boys and girls wearing whatever they like really.

I don't know of any schools without a uniform in these parts.

impossible situation. Boys dont wear skimpy clothing, its completely cultural that girls do it, and the fashion only exists because we expect girls to dress sexually and display themselves for the male gaze. The only equivalent for boys are clothes that are specifically designed for gay men to wear for other men. Its one thing on a night out, its another thing in an office or school. Its distracting for everyone, not just boys and men. I dont want to see someones arse if im not sleeping with that person at that moment

We have a strict uniform policy where I work. Girls do roll up their skirts (even to the point you can see the top of the line on their tights). However on so many occasions when asked by a male member of staff to put their skirt to the correct length they are called 'pervs', 'peodos' etc. The boys with trousers showing boxers are told to pull them up and if it is a female or male member of staff they receive the same response as above. It's a no win situation!

Nancy - I don't think boys in skinny jeans or low hanging jeans was ever meant to be a seductive look Its not the same at all. Men can and do dress in other ways to get female attention if they feel the need to.

If it doesn't have a uniform.

It doesn't matter whether erections are voluntary or not, they're the man's issue to deal with and nobody else's problem. They're not always sexually motivated anyway so we couldn't stop them happening even if we all wore burkas.

Boys wear skinny jeans, they wear the baggy falling down jeans showing their Calvins

At school?

Seeing naked bodies is part of his job, is in a clinical environment and to be expected. Hardly the same thing as a teacher, who doesn't expect to see flashes of arse, pubes and fanjo.

As has already been said: teachers need to be able to cope with flashes of body parts because it will happen.

NancyWake:

Again, I think you're just being quite rude. I am done responding to you.

The talk is only about female clothing because it's the girls, who wear incredibly short skirts. Not boys.

Not it's not. Boys wear skinny jeans, they wear the baggy falling down jeans showing their Calvins. They wear PE kit.

The difference is simply that women are held responsible for modifying their behaviour and clothing in order to manage male sexual response; but the same is not true the other way.

itsmine:

So are we saying erections are voluntary? First I have heard of it.

I'm absolutely not saying men go through life getting stiffies and it is never inappropriate. Of course it is. But it isn't voluntary.

Gah. I meant if he didn't control his impulses completely, not the pupils. Brain fart.

It actually wouldn't bother me in the slightest if a male teacher found his female students attractive and had rude thoughts about them. It would bother me only if he didn't control them completely, or thought they were anyone's issue to manage but his.

itsmine:

But your 'adult male' sons could perfectly legally wed one of those 16 year olds!

Still no answer?

Mummyoflittledragon:

Thank you - exactly what I wanted to say but I couldn't quite word it!

When I was-15, I mainly rolled up my skirt because I didn't want to look a frump in comparison to other girls who did it - and yes, I didn't want to look like frump or less attractive to boys either. When lorry drivers etc used to honk horns or whatever, I knew full well why they were doing it. To pretend I was unaware of the impact of certain clothing, even at that age, I would have to have been stupid or a liar. It's about pushing boundaries yes, but why are the boundaries being pushed in that particular way, as opposed to a fashion for wearing coloured socks to school or something? Women are not mindless victims who have no awareness about these things and it's riduculous to suggest they should be able to wear whatever they want with no reaction from men, or the world in general. Men don't come to work in shorts either.

No, you said you found it concerning that I work in a school

Oh that. Yes indeed I do. Not because I'm concerned that your private sympathies would impact on your professional safeguarding. Simply because you're rather inarticulate and have some very strange ideas.