Girls told to wear longer skirts at school because the boys are distracted and male teachers feel uncomfortable.

If they don't want girls to wear short skirts, then why don't they stop the sexist shitty nonsense with forcing girls to wear skirts in the first place?

Trousers for everyone, and no problem.

Uniform skirts (that I have seen in media, thanks feminism there is no such shit in Germany) FORCE GIRLS TO SHOW THEIR LEGS. Dammit!
If schools do this to girls, then it is EXTREMELY bigoted to complain that some girls wear "too short" skirts.
They have been telling those girls, over and over and over, that their legs are there for the male gaze, by making them wear skirts of knee-length, that do not cover the legs!

And then they complain that the girls have learnt that lesson, learnt it well, and now wear even shorter skirts?

Seriously, I have some sympathy for Germans schools that try to get children who are allowed to dress however the fuck they want, to voluntarily wear workplace appropriate clothes.

But if you make girls wear skirts, you are not allowed to complain. Not ever. Sorry.

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace:

It isn't the responsibility of the girls. They're children. It is the responsibility of the people setting the uniform policy. So I would agree that this could have been communicated more tactfully, but it is completely reasonable in its rationale.

Right, we don't live in an ideal world, so girls had better do their bit to mitigate that.

If the desired look is business appropriate then I think that the school ought to consider that in a corporate environment women would not be invited to sit cross legged on the floor for a meeting

That's a good point, wheatchief. One of the many reasons why I find the whole 'school kids should dress like they're off to work in a bank' argument bizarre.

Sparklingbrook - my daughter goes to a secondary school with no uniform. There are clear rules, which apply to both sexes, about not wearing impractical or revealing clothing. It works just fine. In fact most of them follow their own, self-imposed 'uniform' of jeans, t-shirts and hoodies. Practical and sensible.

There is a vast difference between feeling uncomfortable and having inappropriate thoughts.
This, with bells & whistles. And sorry, but if your daughter is wearing something so short that someone can see their underwear (or worse) when they walk up stairs, do you think that's appropriate for school (or work)?! We're not talking about a girl's skirt blowing up in the wind, we're talking about dressing in such a way as to put yourself on show. Not just to look nice, that's different. But to put across a sexual image of yourself because that's what deliberately showing your underwear is all about. And that's not what they're at school for.

Imagine being a male teacher facing a group of particularly gobby teens who happens to look in the wrong direction at the wrong time (( we've all done it ))

Wot you lookin at Sir, you're looking at me aren't you ?? Did everyone see that ??

(( gobby class group agrees ))

Sir, sir. You was looking at me.

Whole thing escalates. Poor blokes left with a mark on his record.

If everyone dresses appropriately than incidents like that can be avoided

I agree with trifle. In an ideal world we wouldn't have the problem but let's not deny the reality just because we don't like it.

*I think as far a coverage is concerned the same rules should apply to both pupils (of either sex) and staff. So if you think it's ok for Miss FrenchTeacher to be occasionally flashing her crotch at the pupils and Mr GeographyTeacher to wear knob hugging Lycra then crack on.

IF however like most of the sane world you would like the adults, who are in close contact and have authority over your children in your absence, to keep their bits to themselves then have the manners to ensure your children (of either sex) do the same.*

^This!. I don't want to see the arse, genitals or underwear of anyone over the age of 8 to whom I'm not very closely related thanks - be they my boss, my colleagues or the teens on work experience. And I don't think the fact it makes me uncomfortable means I'm a perve either.

That's not appropriate for school Nancy, no.

Apparently the slow slung trousers on boys thing is to do with prisoners not being allowed belts.

The other thing of course is that women who wear short skirts tend to wear skirts which are straight or which cling to the legs. Meaning that when they bend over or walk up stairs they are not flashing their knickers. The skirts that the girls roll up are normally flared and pleated and not designed to be rolled up and so when they do everything is on display.

As zzzzz said, can you imagine if your child came home saying "mum, today my geography teacher was wearing pink knickers. Normally they're blue or white".

Sparklingbrook it's a very odd look to be sure, but it's not aimed at us.

I was thinking more this.

I think as far a coverage is concerned the same rules should apply to both pupils (of either sex) and staff. So if you think it's ok for Miss FrenchTeacher to be occasionally flashing her crotch at the pupils and Mr GeographyTeacher to wear knob hugging Lycra then crack on.

IF however like most of the sane world you would like the adults, who are in close contact and have authority over your children in your absence, to keep their bits to themselves then have the manners to ensure your children (of either sex) do the same.

Totally agree with this, zzzzz

I dont think school girls usually wear short skirts to be seductive. They do it to be fashionable, but the point is, its become fashionable because its based on sex wear and we have a sexualised culture. Its also a problem with school uniform on people that are actually physically grown women, when usually it doesnt fit properly, and at an age where they want to express themselves. Getting rid of school uniform would be better. Most european kids go to school in jeans and tshirts, and dont have the same problems in this respect

I wouldn't like to send my sons to a school with no uniform.

Nancy - I'm not sure I follow your reasoning on this tbh, but surely what men find attractive about women (in general terms) is not the same as what women find attractive about men, so what is the point in comparison?

Yep. Totally seductive.

Trifle

You said what I wanted to say that time

Well there are plenty of schools in London with no uniform. Indeed my old school didn't.

Skinny jeans or trousers are totally about sexual signalling LaSegunda.

They are supposed to show

1. Muscularity of legs/thighs/bum
2. Size of genitalia.

Haven't rtft but surely the simplest solution would be to just wear trousers? Does the school allow this? If not, why not? And I don't think feeling uncomfortable has anything to do with sexualising others.

It'smine:

You have also neatly avoided answering my question!

itsmine

I've taught secondary abroad. I didn't really see the kids as vulnerable in the same way as I would adults or children in a clinical environment. Male erections are involuntary although mainly avoidable as most men have learnt strategies to stop/cope with them. But it is not to say it couldn't happen. Less so boys, who are learning to manage the mind/body connection and are still maturing.