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To ask neighbour to stop kids using communal areas as personal playground...

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MrsExpo · 13/12/2016 10:54

We live in one of five detached properties in a small cul-de-sac/close. Houses are accessed down a drive way between two houses on the main road at the top of the close, and the drive is wide enough for two vehicles to pass, opening into a wider turning area in front of the houses to allow people to access their drives. The drive has a 3-4 meter wide strip of grass down each side and this has trees on our side and a row of neat shrubs down the fence on the other. All houses have access to their own parking areas and all the drive-ways are open plan - i.e. no fences between them. All the houses have good sized rear gardens.

The drive, grassed areas and central turning area are jointly owned by all five properties and we manage the grass cutting etc between us to keep it tidy. (Except for one property who do sweet FA, but that's another story!!).

Family in house opposite have 5 kids, the youngest two being boys aged 8 and 10. Like most young lads, I suspect (don't have sons myself) they enjoy kicking a football about, but - having reduced their own back lawn to a bog - are now using the drive/grassed areas as their personal football pitch and bike race-way. As such, the grass is getting cut up, ike tracks all over the place, there were no less than 4 footballs and two bikes left lying about this morning and the shrubs are getting kicked to shreds. In addition, footballs are bouncing off people's cars, tree branches are getting broken, peoples drives and front lawns are used as an extension of the playing area ... In short, the place looks a real mess. (To say nothing about the noise they seem to generate when they're out there!).

AIBU to think the neighbours need to stop their kids trashing the place, use teri own garden for the kids to play on, get them to tidy up their stuff and generally start to respect the property? (Sitting here dreading the onset of Christmas school holidays ...!!!)

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Christmassnake · 13/12/2016 13:04

Personally, I'd leave it,why risk a fall out?. Her youngest are 8 and 10? Couple more yrs and it will be all Xbox and no more footballs

dreamingofsun · 13/12/2016 12:58

to those that are saying its fine....i think it depends on the communal area and what its designed for. there are lots that are used for recreation and thats fine and have lovely grassy areas designed for play. But if its like ours, its laid out as a shrub border and kids playing in it would just trash the whole thing permanently

chitofftheshovel · 13/12/2016 12:58

bumsex come on be reasonable, there were no less than four footballs out there at the same time as the bikes. It's practically shouting out for the riffraff to come down the cul de sac.

dreamingofsun · 13/12/2016 12:56

we live in similar situation and there's no way i would have let my kids do that. they didn't play in communal areas at all. If its like our set up (and it sounds similar) its not designed for kids playing, and kicking footballs.

Rather than asking them not to play, i would ask them to be mindful and not damage the grass/shrubs etc. What do the other neighbours say? if you could put a joint front on this then it would be better - not sure if all together or at least one after the other? Could also talk about potential damage to your car (this might focus their minds if they think they have to cough up, and potential damage to kids from cars)

They really should do this in their back garden, this is what its for.

we have a neighbour who dumps his garden waste in a quiet area of our close and this drives me nuts. all the management has caused a few niggles over the years. i wouldn't do shared ownership again unless i had to

bumsexatthebingo · 13/12/2016 12:50

No it's not solely there's but it does sound like there is some effort made by the neighbours to tidy up the shrubs etc but the children have the right to play! It seems the neighbours without kids are moaning because you can only see it from your own perspective. I would personally love a communal area out front where I could watch my children and they wouldn't have to play near a road as they do now. You seem annoyed by their presence. How does having to look at bikes lying around affect you for eg? My opposite neighbour parks their car on the street - maybe I should complain about having to look at that?

EleanorRigby123 · 13/12/2016 12:42

Sitting on the fence.

You bought a property with communal areas. These are always attractive to families with children - and children play and make a noise. Unless there is a restrictive covenant in the title deeds or they are playing there after 10pm or before 6am YABU to complain about it. Your rights to peace and quiet do not outweigh their rights to play and make a noise. If you cannot put up with that you need to move to another property - an over 55s set up perhaps.

If the children have damaged YOUR vehicles then YANBU to raise this with the parents. If they have damaged other people's vehicles that is nothing to do with you. If they are concerned they can raise it with the parents themselves.

You say "words were had" when the mother tried to tidy the shrubs. Does that mean that you spoke to her? Does your lease give you greater rights to tidy the shrubs than others? Sounds to me as if she wants to play her part in the community and that her efforts have been rebuffed. Maybe try to befriend her and get her involved in the maintenance of the area?

You need to tread VERY carefully in this kind of dispute otherwise it will escalate.

FlouncingInAWinterWonderland · 13/12/2016 12:41

Maybe you could get together with all the neighbours and agree a new layered planting scheme for the area. Grass is so high maintenance.

MrsExpo · 13/12/2016 12:39

"It doesn't sound like vandalism. Just kids playing and occasionally kicking their ball into shrubs. In sure you would prefer it if the kids stayed in nice and quiet so you could look at some perfect grass but it doesn't solely belong to you. By all means stop them playing on your drive as that's your property. Not sure why you are so annoyed by one of the parents tidying up the shrubs either. You complain they're a mess then complain when it's sorted. Sounds like they are trying to find a happy balance so that everyone can enjoy the area which is how it should be."

As I said, it's not the playing that's the issue. It's the lack of respect for the area generally and other people's property, and the damage to the area in question. The shrubs would have been perfectly OK, and not needed a radical pruning session, had the boys not trashed them, and we regularly take our turn cutting the grass, weeding, pruning and generally keeping the place tidy and presentable.

As for ownership, well it doesn't solely belong to them either, does it? So shouldn't they be mindful of that and take steps to ensure it's kept to a decent standard for us all and not arbitrarily allow their kids to trash it, whilst the rest of us do our bit to keep it nice. They are the only household in the group with youngsters of that age so it's not like we're all contributing to the damage. One household taking the P!! and four who are P'ed off!

I agree with the poster who said we're at fault for buying a place with communal areas. In the event we ever move, then that will be the first thing we look at. Any mention of anything communal, shared or otherwise in joint ownership will be a complete deal breaker!!! To be fair, we've lived here 16 years and the kids weren't around when we moved in. Also, I don't remember their older kids behaving like this as they would have been a similar age then.

Lesson learned.

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Maudlinmaud · 13/12/2016 12:36

Uh oh. My neighbours are always fighting.
It started over something like this. I do a lot of curtain twitching, it's quite entertaining really.

AgathaF · 13/12/2016 12:32

If you live in the sort of set-up you describe then it's inevitable that children will play out on it. Can you ask the children directly to clear their stuff away, and to be more careful of shrubs etc?

quirkychicken · 13/12/2016 12:27

if they're treating the space like crap then it's worth having a natter with your neighbour but not to stop them using it completely, they just need to take more care of it and probably cover more of the tidying responsibilities you share

bumsexatthebingo · 13/12/2016 12:23

ll. It doesn't sound like vandalism. Just kids playing and occasionally kicking their ball into shrubs. In sure you would prefer it if the kids stayed in nice and quiet so you could look at some perfect grass but it doesn't solely belong to you. By all means stop them playing on your drive as that's your property. Not sure why you are so annoyed by one of the parents tidying up the shrubs either. You complain they're a mess then complain when it's sorted. Sounds like they are trying to find a happy balance so that everyone can enjoy the area which is how it should be.

throwingpebbles · 13/12/2016 12:22

FV Grin

hmcAsWas · 13/12/2016 12:22

Ugh I hate having neighbours - which is why we moved so that we don't have any [helpful]

If you are going to have a word, take the neighbour with you who is equally fed up - you don't want to identified as the only complainant

HaveNoSocks · 13/12/2016 12:21

I think making a noise in a communal area at night is unreasonable to be honest and if I had my own back garden and the communal area was obviously meant to be "nice" with flowers etc. I wouldn't let my DC play football on it, especially if the balls are likely to go flying into people's cars.

FV45 · 13/12/2016 12:16

pebbles is that your fence or the one in the communal area? Grin

bumsexatthebingo · 13/12/2016 12:16

Well this wouldn't bother me at a

throwingpebbles · 13/12/2016 12:09

This is why no property lawyer I know would never buy a house with common areas like that Wink

I'm sitting on the fence here. I agree it is not on for them to be wrecking stuff, but I cannot see anything wrong in them playing out or making a noise. If you want utter silence you need to move somewhere more remote.

The question for you is now to manage the situation without things escalating. There are few things more stressful than a high pitched battle with neighbours.

sirfredfredgeorge · 13/12/2016 12:05

Either enforce the covenants on the use of the private areas, or you screwed up buying a private cul-de-sac without the covenants in place on the use of the private areas.

Playing in a communal area is perfectly reasonable. If there's damage to your cars, then you can address that, but the general tone of your complaint is about other stuff which is unreasonable, so it suggests that even if they fully addressed that you'd still complain.

MollyHuaCha · 13/12/2016 12:05

Tricky one. Yes of course you can say something. But, wherever possible, try to avoid falling out with the neighbours. People have different standards. My children were never allowed to play on the street when they were younger (and wouldn't want to now). But I know many who were allowed out daily. Your neighbours' children's parents either do no realize what their kids are doing or... they do realise but are not bothered! Good luck and if you do say something, tell us how it goes Smile

GabsAlot · 13/12/2016 11:54

if its being damaged then send them the bill-u cant stop kids playing out though they just need to know how to respect everyones property

Bluntness100 · 13/12/2016 11:53

On one side this would really annoy me too, on the other side i can also see how this can easily escalate to the point you wish to god you had never mentioned it and have to move.

Do you know them? Do you have a good relationship with them? Do you know how they will react? Are you confident they will ensure the kids tidy up after themselves and stop playing there? Or is there a risk they'll tell you to sod off, it's communal, and they'll leave their stuff where ever the heck they please?

Maybe speak to other neighbours and get their views if you think there is a risk.

MrsExpo · 13/12/2016 11:51

Thanks for the replies. As someone has said, it's not so much the playing as the trashing the area that bothers me and the general disrespect shown to people's property and boundaries!! Words were had with the mother earlier in the year, when the noise got to a fever pitch at silly times at night (these are kids of school age, remember!). Also, when she took it into her head to "tidy" the shrubs because "they look a right mess!" ... I did point out that they wouldn't look a mess if her kids hadn't trashed them by repeatedly kicking a football into them!!!

The state of their garden was relayed to me by their next door neighbour (we're opposite) who can see over the fence and who are equally fed up with the general levels of disrespect, mess and noise......

I think i'll have to put on my brave pants and have yet another word ... wish me luck!

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CozumelFox · 13/12/2016 11:51

It's not so easy to go and confront people. I know a couple who used to feel 'having a quick word' was the right thing to do - they ended up with a campaign of harassment, dirt thrown at the car, a window broken, rubbish thrown in their garden, graffiti on their pavement, and being shouted at whenever they went out and fearing the 'neighbours' would get physically violent.

So you kind of have to judge it well. If you get the vibe they're fairly normal people who perhaps are completely clueless about the damage their kids cause (though if they've done it to their own garden, unlikely), you could have a quick chat. If you think they're like to tell you to mind your own fucking business, you fucking slag, watch your fucking back because we know where you live, get the fuck off my drive, well... yeah, confronting probably not the greatest idea.

One option could be to see if all the neighbours will knock on at the same time. They can't gob off/threaten 20 people!

Mistoffeleze · 13/12/2016 11:49

Posted too soon.

I don't have a problem with having to crawl down a residentail private cul de sac due to children playing there. Should it be causing damage (balls on cars etc) then it's different. Decide what you're annoyed about.