To think an English teacher should know the correct pronunciation of Glamis?

To be clear, the professor was not suggesting that the Spanish, in the Golden Age or otherwise, would have pronounced it "Kwick- sutt" and, indeed when she read out passages in the original (where it is spelled Quijote), she pronounced it "kee-ho tay". However the standard name of the book amongst anglophone scholars of the subject is "The Kwick-sutt".

In this line from Byron's Don Juan ( pron " Don Jew-an" by the way) you can see that it needs the " Quixote" pronounciation to scan:

" a jest, a riddle, fame through thick and thin sought!
And Socrates himself but Wisdom's Quixote?"

No, LisbethSalander oddly enough Cambridge professors don't tend to play jokes on their students, what with having very high academic standards to uphold. Chip on your shoulder?

Maybe it is an Oxford/Cambridge 'in joke' or something

Well I am in the UK and have never heard "Kwick-sutt" only Kee - oaty.

I also studied Don Quixote at university (in the US). I have never heard anyone call it Don Kwick-sutt. But Spanish is the most common second language in the US so I think that influences the way Spanish words are spoken.

merry.

I studied Don Quixote at University. My tutor was English but a world- renowned scholar of the Spanish Golden Age and she also called him. "Kwick- sutt".

In fact she never referred to the book as " Don Quixote" but as " The Kwick-sutt". I believe that is the norm in ( English) academic circles.

I wonder what French people think of Belvoir/Beauchamp/Beaulieu.

It would be quite funny to visit some where in France spelt 'Quiteaniceview' and be told it was pronounced 'Keenoo' or something.

An actual person,yes of course, you say it in the way they want it to be said. But there are conventions about the way "foreign" words are said in other languages. Paris, Londres, Rome. For example. Jake- queeze (cf earlier posts) Don Quik-sote.........

Place names are often translated - if you are speaking English you visit Paris and Brussels, (spelling Matching pronounciation), not Paree and Broosell.

Thinking about it Bertrand I think most people's names are usually attempted in the 'home style'. If your class had a French boy called Jean, would your teacher have pronounced it the same way as the gir's name Jean? (sorry I'm not sure how to write those phonetically)

This has just reminded me of the scene in Goodbye Mr Chips where he says 'what's the point of teaching a boy to say Kickero when for the rest of his life he'll say Sissero, if he says it at all'

"My Literature professor at university insisted on called Don Quixote "Don Quick Sote" and, when questioned, declared that she was teaching in England so she would pronounce it the "English Way."

Perfectly usual. Or do you say Paree and Barthelona?

YANBU but I'm not surprised, either.

At DD's school the other week, her teacher ran through the curriculum for the year, enthusiastically proclaiming that many of the children could already write "brilliant".

I nearly wept at the demise of the Scottish education system

My Literature professor at university insisted on called Don Quixote "Don Quick Sote" and, when questioned, declared that she was teaching in England so she would pronounce it the "English Way."

Perhaps this teacher is from the same school of thought?

I am mystified as to why a work of literature, or any work of art for that matter, has to be relevant for it to have a place in the curriculum.

As for interesting, that's purely a matter of opinion.

In what way is Shakespeare not appropriate?

What about MacFadyen? That should really be pronounced Mc - Fadj - en (with the sound "dj" like "budge." It's still pronounced that way in most of Scotland (I think) and in Eastern North Carolina where there are a lot of people of Scottish descent, but the pronunciation has been Anglicized in most other places.

That is why students with A grades in CSYS/ Advanced Highers or English/ Welsh A levels skip year 1 in Scotland

Certainly didn't when I was there.

Oh and the massive worldwide aviation service company that sharea corporate origins with the newspaper group is definitely "Menzees".

Most people in my town called the newsagent "John Men Zees". But oddly the same town also had a department store called "Menzies" and that was universally referred to as "mingisses".

*People who pronounce it "MEN-Zees" are stupid.

Surely not this guy though?

may well

OOAML - the boy you went to school with May we'll have "corrected teachers" about the pronunciation of Menzies but it is a simple fact that the true pronunciation is "Ming-is".

It is one of my family's surnames.

This is non - negotiable.

People who pronounce it "MEN-Zees" are stupid.

No, it's not standard (as the many first years from England would verify), and first year was not a 'foundation' year.

I went to Cambridge from the Scottish education system. I'm also 42 OOAOML we probably sat the same papers!

My offer was conditional on getting As in 2 subjects at CSYS and an A in a 6th Higher, on top of the 5 highers at A that I already had when I applied. In other words they definitely treated them as equivalent to A levels.

I don't think it's standard for all English students with A levels to skip straight to 2nd year of a Scottish degree is it?

Shakespeare is only one small part of the English syllabus, as I am sure you probably know.

Indeed, but is it the best use of the limited "syllabus space" available?

Iknow Shakespeare is only one small part of the English syllabus, as I am sure you probably know.

Back in my fairly brief teaching career I found students (especially lower achieving boys) absolutely loved Shakespeare once we got going with it because it is much ruder than any of the modern stuff considered appropriate for their age, and there is vastly more blood and murder...