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To protest at the words "Jewish" and "Israeli" being used interchangeabley.

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Jewishnotisraeli · 10/08/2015 20:25

They are not the same thing at all.

Most Jews are not Isreali

Many Isrealis are not Jewish.

20-25% of Israelis, including the Israeli army are Muslim, ( varies year to year)

Some Jews are Arabs. Some Arabs are Jewish.

Some Palestinians on the West bank are Jewish.

There are no known Jewish Palestinians in the Gaza strip as Hamas has succeeded where Hitler failed, in wiping out it's own indigenous Jewish population. This is the ONLY reason why there are no Jews left in this population.

Israel has done terrible things. Hamas has done terrible things.

Please don't classify things done by Israel as done by Jews, a quarter of them are not Jews. please don't classify things done by Hamas as done to Jews, many of their atrocities are inflicted on Muslims.

To say Jews and Israelis are the same is like saying English people and Anglicans are the same, many people are English and Anglican, many people are English but not Anglican, and many Anglicans are not English.

And also, some Palestinians, and some Israelis are Christians.

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hampsterdam · 11/08/2015 00:52

The occupation of palestine was going on a very long time before hamas came into existence. I have sympathy for the people of gaza because they are living under blockade and siege everyday. Because innocent t children are being brutally killed. Over 25% the population of gaza are children, did they vote for hamas? Do they not deserve sympathy?

hampsterdam · 11/08/2015 00:46

Winels. You should have a state and a right to self determination but so should the Palestinians.
The usual whataboutery what about China? I don't remember China bombing Taiwan everyday for a month killing over 2000 people?
It's nothing to do with Jews that I don't like what isreal are doing, I actually couldn't care less which imaginary friend you believe in, for me it's about humanity, humans treating other humans with such contempt and such hatred and getting away with it with impunity.

WineIsFineAtNine · 11/08/2015 00:37

Hamas wants to rid the world of all Jews, it is in the Hamas charter. Not just the destruction of Israel, but the destruction of the Jewish people all around the world. Hamas knows how Israel can react but does not care for the Palestinian people so continues to provoke Israel. Hamas is a terror group. Why is there so much sympathy for the people of Gaza?! They voted Hamas in to power!!! Hamas have destroyed Israeli food parcels in the past, they don't want to help the Palestinians- they just want to terrorise Jews

hampsterdam · 11/08/2015 00:36

Hamas weren't elected in 1948 or 1967. But Palestinians were still being killed, occupied and dehumanised. Hamas were never elected in the west bank but those Palestinians are still being illegally occupied.
I've got nothing against Jewish people, I feel isreal has a right to exist, in accordance with international law behind the green line.
Palestinians also have a right to exist, a right to a free state and a right to thrive, I hope I see the day that palestine is free, I will do everything I can to help make that happen .
Yanbu op jew and isreali are not interchangeable.

WineIsFineAtNine · 11/08/2015 00:30

Well said caroldecker

WineIsFineAtNine · 11/08/2015 00:27

I'm Jewish, a Zionist and I will always support Israel.

Why must a Jew not support their right to a homeland in order to be seen as 'good'? Because that's what people mean when they say 'oh but not all Jews are zionists'. They're quite right, not all Jews are but why is believing in and supporting the Jewish homeland such a terrible thing?
Israel is where my grandmother went after her entire family were killed in the holocaust, it's where my daughter can wear her Star of David necklace and not feel at risk (she daredn't wear it walking around the UK) and it's the place where I know I will always be accepted. Israel exists (miraculously) in spite of the holocaust, and I see it as an insurance against another. I go on holiday to Israel, strengthen it's economy by spending my money there and hope that it will prevail so, if history were to repeat itself, my daughters would have a safe place to go to.
Zionism is the right to Jewish self determination as a free nation in our own land. What is so wrong about that?! Anti-Israel people you are denying Jews the right to self-deteimatiom!

Anybody who says 'I'm not anti-Semitic, I'm anti-Zionist' is as pathetic as the people who 'I'm not racist because I have a black friend'.

I would love to know why people who constantly criticise Israel aren't more concerned about what China does in Taiwan, the child sex exploitation market in India and the treatment of foreign workers in Dubai. I suppose they were all washing their hair the night those petitions were sent round... Of course people don't care because it doesn't involve Jews so they can't air their lazy anti-Semitism! But Israel is a convenient and socially acceptable way to do so. And it comes from all sections of society, from Muslims with anti-western views to left wing 'right on' types. Anti-semitism sadly lives on and taking an anti-Israel stance is how it's now portrayed.

Am Yisrael Chai Wink

caroldecker · 11/08/2015 00:24

Do you all realise the 'occupied territories' were taken during the Six day war when Eygpt, Jordon and Syria combined to destroy all Jews (and Israel). After this, the Israelis have used this area as a defensive area as they countries surrounding them are still vocal in the destruction of all Jews (and Israel).

Jewishnotisraeli · 10/08/2015 23:58

Genuinely curious to know why you've chosen a different anonymous internet name from your usual anonymous internet name, to say that though?

because I am frightened of being identified as Jewish in RL, and some people know my user name.

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WorraLiberty · 10/08/2015 23:14

YANBU

Genuinely curious to know why you've chosen a different anonymous internet name from your usual anonymous internet name, to say that though? Confused

ShebaShimmyShake · 10/08/2015 23:05

They are two entirely different things, like Arab/Muslim, but good luck getting the idiot brigade to understand it.

FuzzyWizard · 10/08/2015 22:14

Oh and take serious steps towards ending the blockade of Gaza.

FuzzyWizard · 10/08/2015 22:13

Hamas are not in any way justified in killing people or using civilians as human shields but a good move towards peace IMO would be for Israel to withdraw from the areas where they currently have illegal settlements.

caroldecker · 10/08/2015 22:04

Maybe if the Palestinians had not democratically elected Hamas, there may have been peace talks and an end to this.

The Israeli army may kill less people if Hamas did not install all thier military in schools and hospitals.

Maybe you should explain what the Israeli's should do to solve this unilaterally because the other side aren't trying.

Egosumquisum · 10/08/2015 21:19

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hibbledobble · 10/08/2015 21:17

I always find it interesting on threads like this that people are all too ready to criticise Israel, but you never hear anyone criticising the many atrocities that Hamas has committed, or their published aims.

Egosumquisum · 10/08/2015 21:14

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PacificDogwood · 10/08/2015 21:13

YANBU at all.

I hate those lazy lumping-everything-together generalisations.

hibbledobble · 10/08/2015 21:13

Op yanbu

Equally not all Jews are Zionists.

It would be too simplistic however to dissociate Israel and Judaism completely. Israel is a Jewish state, and a lot of anti-Israel sentiment is related to anti-semitism.

CoteDAzur · 10/08/2015 21:13

"There are no known Jewish Palestinians in the Gaza strip as Hamas has succeeded where Hitler failed, in wiping out it's own indigenous Jewish population. This is the ONLY reason why there are no Jews left in this population."

I would think the real reason why there are no living in occupied territories is that Jews would be welcomed back into the comfort of Israel and would not have to live in the abysmal conditions of what is effectively a prison camp, like the Palestinians are doomed to.

wafflyversatile · 10/08/2015 21:12

It is very annoying to criticise the Israeli govt and be accused of hating jews.

Jewishnotisraeli · 10/08/2015 21:12

And just to point out the Israeli government encourages the perception that "Jewish" and "Israeli" are interchangeable

so what? what relevance does that have to me? I have no connection with the Israeli government at all, and never will, why should what they are seen to encourage or discourage matter at all in this?

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Egosumquisum · 10/08/2015 21:11

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Jewishnotisraeli · 10/08/2015 21:09

Does wanting the Palestinians to have their own land and not be bombed make you anti-semitic?

no of course not. I want the Palestinians to have their own land and not be bombed.

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TTWK · 10/08/2015 21:08

YANBU. A few years back, 2 Israeli girls in Haifa were killed by rockets fired by Hezbollah from Southern Lebanon. So Israel retaliated and bombed Lebanon, killing hundreds. The news reported this as revenge attacks for the deaths of 2 Jewish children, but they weren't Jewish, they were Arab muslims, but Israeli citizens.

However, Revenant is spot on, as the Israeli govt are largely to blame for this, as any criticism of Israel and their foreign policy and they scream anti Semitism.....even if the critic is Jewish! And many Jews are critical of Israel.

Egosumquisum · 10/08/2015 21:03

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