to ask if anyone has had a psychic reading that was extremely accurate?

"Sorry Hak can't find where it says they're fake."

Which do you mean?

Propel no I havent, have you?

rose it's strange you use that description of someone who believes in God because that is always how I see atheists, cast adrift on a stormy sea with no land for miles around.

But you allude to seeing things this way before I mentioned it.

Sorry Hak can't find where it says they're fake.

I meant what believers say about atheists.

I only mentioned cast adrift because I was told I was like a rat at sea in a leaky life boat. It's not normally an expression I'd use. As regards what it is we are afraid of in others disbeliefs.....err, pot, kettle? it is exactly that what atheists say about us believers. Why do you care so much, we do because we believe, but you don't. It must really bother you a lot otherwise you wouldn't take the time to argue. It's not an intense need for us to believe, rather an intense need for you to tell us why we shouldn't.

Not going to do your work for you, Rose. As I said, 15 seconds of googling.........

You've already acknowledged that your psychic detective was a fraud. The prayers studies are easy to find. And the Australian miracle has no accreditation whatsoever, so can safely be discounted. Particularly considering how easy it would have been for him to get some and change the world forever

Rose and Fackinell, have you noticed how fear-filled your language is when referring to atheism? You keep using words like 'terrifying' and 'cast adrift'. Should you not be asking yourself some searching questions about what precisely it is you are so afraid of in other people's disbelief, and whether there's a relationship between that fear and your intense need to believe in an afterlife?

I can assure you lack of belief is not at all terrifying, and I speak as someone who grew up in a very devout home in a very religiously observant society, so I lived for the first two decades of my life with religious belief being the norm.

Spare your pity rose. Have you thought about voluntary work?

I feel sorry for you Roseforarose if you can't see any meaning in your life past religion.

I'm not dead religious though, I dont go to church regularly, I live a full life with children and grandchildren, I just happen to believe that there is an afterlife and I do believe in God. It's all you who do t believe that I feel sorry for.

I can swim rose- that's the difference.

I don't want to put my trust into some leaky old lifeboat that is heading the wrong way.

Hak can you provide links to prove they're all discredited, and what about the link someone put up up thread about prayers for the sick being futile. Is that discredited too, or is it just the ones that suit your agenda.

propeluseagain it's strange you use that description of someone who believes in God because that is always how I see atheists, cast adrift on a stormy sea with no land for miles around. No hope of rescue. Whereas I find joy in life knowing that it's not going to end and I'll not fade into oblivion. God is light, without him you'll walk in darkness. Id hate to be a non believer, as Fackinell says it really would be terrifying.

Rose- can I ask you-you ever question anything?

Because I happened to know that all the sites you have linked to on this thread are either discredited or too anecdotal to be worth the pixels they are written in- but it would have taken you about 15 seconds to find out for yourself before you posted them.

Not unfair at all. Rose told me my life was meaningless.

How should I respond? She was bloody rude!!

Propelusagain, that's unfair. You don't know Rose, I'm sure there is a huge amount to her and religion is just a way of living to her. If all you non believers have it sussed then why care what we think. We aren't trying to indoctrinate you into our way of thinking.

Mine too, Rose.whats it al for? We came from somewhere, to me it makes sense we will go on to somewhere. I see death as like a metamorphosis and to think as the atheists do would utterly terrify me!!

Surely your view is that I will go to heaven or hell? My life won't be meaningless - it's a big test (that I will have flunked, presumably).

and you rose- just a puppet of a crazed old geezer? At least I am my own boss.

I feel sorry for you Roseforarose if you can't see any meaning in your life past religion.
You are clinging on like a rat at sea on a leaky lifeboat.

I think so. What's it all for, if you're just going to become nothing. Just my view.

Without any beliefs your lives are meaningless.

You don't believe my life is meaningless, if you're religious.

I don't believe my life is meaningless, and I'm not religious. (I find meaning without a supernatural explanation.)

So who thinks my life is meaningless?

No need to be sorry, it hasn't lessened my beliefs.

Rose, it's not 'the other side of the coin'. It is from yet another Christian healing website, which makes no effort to be unbiased, and refers only to studies which support its findings - that prayer accelerates healing - with no analysis of how the studies were controlled etc, and no indication that other US or international studies were also carried out which either found that prayer didn't improve healing rates, or that it actually had a negative effect, or that many studies were simply inconclusive. Your article diesnt distinguish between human studies and studies on plants, mice and bacteria.

Don't you ever think about the credibility of your sources? I for one would be very interested in exactly how a study that claimed prayer had a measurable effect on the activity rate of enzymes was carried out...

Intercessionary prayer- that should say.

Rose, I am really sorry to do this to you, but the 1988 Byrd study of intercessionary has never been repeatable, although people have tried. The group prayed for were on average 2 years younger than the control group, and although the prayed for group did better in, I think 5, or maybe 6 categories,, they did no better or worse in another 20 categories, which included whether they died or not............