to ask if anyone has had a psychic reading that was extremely accurate?

The trouble is that any attempt to explain how "psychic phenomena" happen is immediate jumped on as calling people bonkers or deluded. You can't expect people to start from a position of belief.

To discuss what happened without being simply branded bonkers and deluded. That's a rational discussion about what may be deemed as irrational notions

There's no reason at all why the Randi test shouldn't be passable - the people whose lips are trembling at the thought of some poor, sensitive psychic handcuffed in a lab with interrogation-style lights being shone in her eyes aren't reading the application materials on the Randi website.

The self-proclaimed 'psychic'/medium/diviner/ESP person comes up with the protocol him or herself - the preliminary test involves them demonstrating their powers in a way they have chosen themselves, just at a place where a representative of the Randi foundation can travel to witness it, so it could well be in their home or workplace, assuming it's not remote. No one has ever passed even this initial test, so no one has ever progressed to anything like 'lab conditions'.

All that the applicant is being asked to do is what they usually do, eg give a psychic reading that comes up with verifiable facts/predictions that they can't have known in any other way other than paranormal powers. The difference is that they have to do it in front of a sceptical observer who isn't emotionally invested in believing that great-auntie Nora has come through with crucial information about the missing ornament.

"I'm a believer ask have had too many occurrences to explain. I don't generally discuss it unless I am in the company of someone who will discuss it rationally"

What do you mean by "rationally"?

I'm a believer ask have had too many occurrences to explain. I don't generally discuss it unless I am in the company of someone who will discuss it rationally

It's throughly debunked on YouTube.

Paul Zenon was on this morning a while ago. He cold read Holly, she was astounded. He knew about a scar on her leg, her Dads initial, his job, a joke he used to make, her personality traits when she is at home alone. It was impressive to watch, yet it was fake.

The real "psychic" next to him refused to do a reading.

I would love it to be real, it would bring the human race forward to a place it's never been to. Our understanding of the universe would be enriched, life as we know it would change forever....but as someone else said forget about that I'll stick to my tent in Hull.

there's a nice article about a psychic who claimed she was 87-90% correct in murder and missing person cases.
www.csicop.org/si/show/psychic_defective_sylvia_brownes_history_of_failure/
The research demonstrates that in 115 cases (all of the available readings), Browne’s confirmable accuracy was 0 percent.

I don't know if I believe in psychic abilities as such but I do believe in energy reading and think some people are sensetive enough to pick up on energy you are giving off, and as such sometimes I quite like the idea that someone could read my energy and tell me what's going on if that makes any sense to anyone...

I just think it's a more honed gift than what we all have when we have the ability to guess why someone is visibly happy or sad eg "you look exhausted, kids kept you up all night did they?"

Why don't psychics ever contact murder victims? That way, the victim could let us know who killed them?

I guess someone will be along to say that if you've been murdered, your energy forcefield isn't in harmony with the feng sui crystals so you homeopathy channel isn't open to contact!

"what amazes me is how many sceptics or total non believers are on mumsnet. It's like they're determined to disbelieve whatever is said. They have an answer for everything. I find it strange tbh"

That's because, when it comes to the paranormal, there is an answer to everything!

Elizabeth Smart was a huge high profile case of a missing woman in America. The police received 9000 tips from psychics around the world regarding her whereabouts. None were correct. None helped.

Their are some huge, high profile missing person cases around the world. Surely one of the real psychics could solve them and find these people.

what amazes me is how many sceptics or total non believers are on mumsnet. It's like they're determined to disbelieve whatever is said. They have an answer for everything. I find it strange tbh

What amazes me is how many casual accepters or total believers are on mumsnet. It's like they're determined to believe whatever is said. They have an excuse for every logical explanation. I find it strange tbh.

People dismissing the Randi challenge without actually having the foggiest clue as to what it involves is just typical. People so desperate to believe that they disregard anything that's put in their way.

The Randi challenge is very easy to pass for anyone with any kind a psychic power or paranormal ability. They just have to do exactly what they claim they can do. The only difference is that they have to do it whist being monitored by people who know all the tricks that psychics employ and thus stop them from employing them. Hence it all boils down to the power itself. Do you have it or don't you? And no one has. IN 50 YEARS! That's how long it's been going.

Even the well worn myth of identical twins being able to communicate telepathically when apart, and feeling each others pain, he been debunked. It's all just confirmation bias.

I've heard psychics say that they could find out things like lottery numbers but it would be immoral and an abuse of their powers. Which is utter rubbish and a cop out.

My ex-girlfriend swore by this one psychic. Much like some of the stories on here. Knowing things she couldn't possibly know, predicting future events etc. I went to see her, couldn't get any names right, didn't get predictions right or my background. Absolute charlatan, yet my ex still believed she had special powers.

" the fact that agencies such as the FBI have used psycics. They're hardly going to use them if they were charlatons would they?"

NO THEY DON'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEITHER DO THE POLICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hak why do I think there are some genuine ones out there?
Personal experience, and the fact that agencies such as the FBI have used psycics. They're hardly going to use them if they were charlatons would they?

Hak- yes I have teenage children, and no I did't keep a diary.

My mother and I were not very close and crushes on my teachers were something that I would not even discuss with my best friend. I kept my feelings very private.
My mother had no interest in my school or education, she would not have even know the name of my teachers.
What's more she was livid with when she came outt from seeing the psychic- not sure why she would choose that moment to challenge me about these crushes.

I agree there must surely be a rational explanation, but I can't think of one.

When Derren Brown shows people how he does what a 'psychic' does, some of them still don't believe he's not psychic! He does a trick, and some people immediately leap to the conclusion 'he read my mind ... it's the only possible explanation'. Fictional characters like Jonathan Creek and Patrick Jane (Mentalist) show how a lot of these tricks and techniques work.

None of the examples in this thread prove anything except that some people want psychics to be real and interpret things that have been said to them accordingly. None of the examples given in this thread are anywhere near as good/accurate as some of the stuff Derren Brown does!

Have you read anything about Randi's challenge? Most applicantsdon't even get past the preliminary stage, where the bar is set very low indeed.

There -are- a number of real things that do seem to exist but can't be proved in a lab though. Kangeroo care is one, as I mentioned up thread. Neither can you replicate random gene mutations in a lab; but they still happen (evolution). Nor can you replicate in a lab the effects of some drug trials eg giving ondansetron to preg women. There are large scale studies, but you can't do that in a lab. All sorts of practical difficulties get in the way, one of which is that people sometime respond differently physiologically.

Things that exist outside the lab still get science'd via things like case studies. It's just never as strong proof as a double blind randomized experiment.

I still don't really believe in psychic phenomena but 'replicate it in a lab or it doesn't exist' cuts out any number of things that do exist but aren't easily replicated, black and white, steady and regular. As a reason on its own to reject psychic phenomena, it isn't enough ... unless you're going to cut out any number of other things and pretend they don't exist either.

Propelusagain... Your mother may have read your diary and used this to you.

Propelusagain- do you have teenage children?

There is loads that I know about my teenqgers that they don't think I know. And I am as sure as I can be that if one of them had a crush on a teacher, I would know. Have you asked your mum about it?

I don't believe in supernatural powers, but I did have something happen that left me gobsmacked.

I was one who developed crushes on teachers as a teenager ( back in the 1970s- no internet) and had three in particular that I was hot on.
I went with my mother and her friend to the next village as ny mother's friend had booked a psychic reading. We intended to wait in the front parlour.
After the friend's reading my mother decided that she would have a reading too. I waited outside.
When she came out she started telling us what the psychic had said, including reeling off the names of the teachers and the subjects they taught. I was mortified = there was no way the psychic or certainly not my mother would have known these teachers.
I was baffled, I have no explanation.

"People always mention the Randi challenge but how can you "prove" something non physical using using a test that only conforms to physical science?" Works for gravity!

The "test" really only means proper observation and monitoring. All the person has to do is what they always do, but under controlled conditions.