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To wonder if social services become involved if you're made homeless?

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Confusedmartie999 · 06/04/2015 14:44

We've privately rented for years.
Had to move many times, sometimes our choice to follow jobs / family and sometimes landlords selling or increasing the rent beyond out affordability.
I wonder what would actually happen if this property ( been here 2 years but apparently owners are retiring next year according to neighbours and will sell ) if we physically couldn't raise deposit / rent in advance / moving costs and find a suitable property near kids school and we got evicted after notice served and went to the council.
Would social service become involved as the children would be homeless?
Or would they house us in temporary accommodation etc as it wouldn't be an intentional homeless case?
Worrying ahead of time

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Confusedmartie999 · 06/04/2015 22:13

Ok my husband is a fixed contract of 40 hours a week so that's fine and we have lived here for 2 years now so shouldn't be a problem that side of things.
I bye we end up in private rent again anyway!

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PipeDownSmallFry · 06/04/2015 22:01

Also employment (not of a casual nature) in the area will count as a local connection.

PipeDownSmallFry · 06/04/2015 21:59

Local connection rules are different for homelessness assistance. You need to show you have lived in the area for either 6 out if the last 12 months or 3 out of the last 5 years. If you don't meet those criteria then they can still assess your situation but may refer you back to an area where you do meet the local connection criteria.

They make you jump through lots of hoops.

Confusedmartie999 · 06/04/2015 21:19

Wonder if that rule of not living in the borough for 5 years applies if you're made homeless actually. Whether that may move you back to your old borough

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Confusedmartie999 · 06/04/2015 21:18

Oh of have lived in the borough for 5 years which we haven't sorry

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PipeDownSmallFry · 06/04/2015 20:40

Unlikely the school will be aware. You may want to tell them about what is happening in case the children are upset or stressed about what is happening. As they will pick things up at home but not fully understand.

Really unusual not to be able to join a housing register unless threatened with homelessness. I would maybe check again?

Confusedmartie999 · 06/04/2015 19:26

I can't put myself on the list as we are not homeless as haven't been served notice as yet.
It's good to know it doesn't seem to be a social service issue if it does happen although the thoight of living in a BNB is awful, wouldn't the school be made aware?

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MayLuke83 · 06/04/2015 19:25

If a family is previously unknown to SS - no, not in my Local Authority. Certain Housing Associations may refer to make SS aware but there would be no assessment of need unless other risks identified.

Redwineplease42 · 06/04/2015 18:24

In my area the council run an interest free loan to cover deposits if you have no money.They can also provide you with temporary accomodation in b and bs however these are often a way away making it difficult with school etc.
You can put yourself now on the list for a housing association property but in my area its a 2-3 year wait even if high priority but go to your local council housing advice they will go through your options.
I feel for you I have moved nine times in twelve years due to landlords selling property!

Iloveonionchutney · 06/04/2015 18:23

We're just going through this, had a section 21 notice to leave the property, they have to give you 2 months legally! We have to be out end of May and we spoke to the council and have a meeting next week with a housing officer. We were told as we have a 4 year old that they have to put us somewhere, my dh works but doesn't drive and had unsociable hours so not being within walking distance would cost him his job, I have long term illness so can't work. The council said that it's all irrelevant as we have a child they have to house us but could be temporary (b&b) etc until something more permanent comes available and with a child we would be highest priority. There has been no mention of social services at all. Like you we have nowhere to go and very little money to pay privately again. I've also not long found out I'm expecting too. Worst timing ever Sad

AngelWings74 · 06/04/2015 18:14

Social services have no ability to 'put pressure' on housing. Sometimes they write a supportive letter but it rarely gets listened too. Housing have their own criteria. Social services may be notified and may have a duty to assess under section 17 of children act but that does not mean it will become a child protection concern unless there are other concerns. Social workers will assess that you have done all you can to avoid situation and to secure housing and from what you are saying you have done all you can. There are too many people who believe that social services can provide housing. Good luck with your search.

PipeDownSmallFry · 06/04/2015 18:13

Landlord will legally have to give you a section 21 notice to ask you to leave, minimum of 2 months. Your agent should confirm this. Go to the local citizens advice centre to get some advice, most have appointments or drop in times.

A council may not look at housing options with you unless you have actually been given notice to leave the property or there is another reason why you cannot remain. You should be able to join the housing register (waiting list for social housing) I would do that ASAP. They should give you basic advice over the phone. Depending on where you live in the country some areas have waiting lists years long whilst others may be much quicker, all councils prioritise people on their own criteria for allocations to properties. It can vary a lot.

If you do have to leave the property the council will try to prevent you from becoming homeless by working with you to secure another property. If that is possible then it is unlikely social services would be involved unless there are other concerns for your Childrens welfare.

As others have said if you are found intentionally homeless (done or failed to do something that has led to the loss of the accommodation) or if they offer a property to prevent you from becoming homeless which you turn down and you have nowhere else to go, they may have a duty to make social services aware of your circumstances as you have children. Social services may contact you to check your housing plans. If you really have nowhere to stay and the council have no duty to help, they may assess you or consider helping or they may offer help only for your children.

I would try to get some confirmation from your agent about your landlords plans, if looking like you will be asked to leave start getting advice and making plans. Be proactive and try to take control of the situation. Far better than just waiting for the council to come up with something, as may be the last thing you want to consider.

Sorry for massive post!

Good luck.

Confusedmartie999 · 06/04/2015 18:10

I did think if one or both people were working the council would just give you a list of private landlords though as they will say we can afford to privately rent :-(

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Confusedmartie999 · 06/04/2015 18:08

Rent is £1000 and 6 weeks deposit plus £300 for a van and £400 ref so just over £3000 a time
It's sickening
I physically can't do it anymore

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BertieBotts · 06/04/2015 18:07

Shelter have lots of info on their site too. www.shelter.org.uk/

BertieBotts · 06/04/2015 18:05

If SS get involved they won't be looking to whisk the kids away just because you as a family are homeless. They want to keep families together if at all possible, so it's probably just a flag up so as to check if there are other issues going on (like somebody said antisocial behaviour, or if you were spending all of the housing benefit on drugs or whatever). They're not going to take the DC if you are homeless through no fault of your own.

I know it's horrible to have them involved (I've had v brief involvement too) and really stressful but do try to remember they have to check up sometimes. It's not personal to you they just have to do their jobs.

Agree speak to Shelter, and speak to your MP. The council won't be able to do anything until/unless you are actually legally homeless, which might mean staying in the house after you've been evicted and waiting to be taken to court.

It's shitty - awful situation for any renters. It does cost a bomb to move every time and totally sinks any chance of being able to save for the future, as well. I bet you've paid more in agent's fees, deposits and rent upfront than it would have cost to put a deposit down for a mortgage. That should never be the case.

Confusedmartie999 · 06/04/2015 17:56

It was a very open and shut case but it was awful.
I would hate them to think the kids were at risk.
I hope with every part of me it doesn't come to this but if it does I don't think we can go through the expense the trauma and the instability of yet another private rented house. Not a home. Ever. A house.

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Jackieharris · 06/04/2015 17:48

I think I understand what your asking.

You've had a child protection investigation in the past and want to avoid ever going through that again?

The answer is no. 'Just' being homeless will not trigger another child protection investigation.

Some councils administer their housing/homelessness and social services departments together at a senior management level but this doesn't mean social workers do assessments on every child that becomes homeless, especially not in the circumstances you are describing. (If you were being evicted for anti social behaviour it might be different)

Please try not to worry about the ss side of this.

Confusedmartie999 · 06/04/2015 17:48

I've just checked our contract, the landlords names are on it but their address is in America so it states underneath all management is to be done by the agent.
Yes deposit should be returned but this is always a week or 2 after you leave a property never before.
I think we've done our fair share of paying other peoples mortgages, we've moved 8 times in the last 6 years and only twice was our choice it's not fair on the children.

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VivaLeBeaver · 06/04/2015 17:42

I've known two people (both with kids) be made homeless recently, not though their own fault. One very similar to you and the other due to domestic violence. Both were housed quickly by the council so it does happen.

Also if the council did refer to SS it would only be for help/support, they wouldn't be removing your kids. A SW could put pressure on housing people to house you as a priority case.

VivaLeBeaver · 06/04/2015 17:38

Also the council may help with a deposit.

Round here the council run a "virtual deposit" scheme for those who haven't got a deposit. So they will contact the private landlord to see if the landlord will accept it. It means the council sort the deposit out and keep it in their own internal bank account deposit scheme. If when the people move out the landlord believe that they are owed money from the deposit then if it's all agreed the council pay the LL the money.

LIZS · 06/04/2015 17:38

Presumably there is a deposit to be returned too.

LIZS · 06/04/2015 17:37

Legally the ll's details are included on the lease agreement or have to be given to you within a certain period of the onset, 28 days iirc.

Confusedmartie999 · 06/04/2015 17:37

It's not about it being more affordable it's about the instability and the constant having to find thousands to move

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Ratfinkandbobo · 06/04/2015 17:35

Sadly a lot of people are in your position op. There just aren't enough properties availableSad