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To wonder if social services become involved if you're made homeless?

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Confusedmartie999 · 06/04/2015 14:44

We've privately rented for years.
Had to move many times, sometimes our choice to follow jobs / family and sometimes landlords selling or increasing the rent beyond out affordability.
I wonder what would actually happen if this property ( been here 2 years but apparently owners are retiring next year according to neighbours and will sell ) if we physically couldn't raise deposit / rent in advance / moving costs and find a suitable property near kids school and we got evicted after notice served and went to the council.
Would social service become involved as the children would be homeless?
Or would they house us in temporary accommodation etc as it wouldn't be an intentional homeless case?
Worrying ahead of time

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PRani · 29/06/2024 16:50

Hi all, interesting answers, I just want to point out that everyone is saying yes or no to "my area" can we all say what the area is? I'm after an answer for West Midlands, thanks, I wish you all a good future, these are very hard times to be experiencing.

The thread is seven years old so you're better off starting a new one if you have concerns or you could seek advice with an organisation like Shelter? People's answers might be out of date (also, people can be wrong. Sometimes it's helpful to get professional advice.)

PRani · 29/06/2024 16:50

Hi all, interesting answers, I just want to point out that everyone is saying yes or no to "my area" can we all say what the area is? I'm after an answer for West Midlands, thanks, I wish you all a good future, these are very hard times to be experiencing.

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YumMum02 · 07/08/2017 20:24

We don't have any housing ourselves, we do work alongside the housing dep to ensure children have a bed to sleep in on a night. We have a duty of care which ethos is to keep children safe. How can our DOC be met without a home? We do help as much as possible- but the ultimatum is up to the housing xxx

JsOtherHalf · 07/08/2017 19:45

Zombie Thread - from 2015

Bathinginthedark · 07/08/2017 19:43

I'm in temporary accommodation, single parent, no contact from SS at all.

MaddeningtheUnhelpful · 07/08/2017 19:30

I was in this exact situation last year, LL wanted to sell, we couldnt raise the money required and rents are ridiculous in this area. £1300+ for a small 3 bed. Anyway we applied for the council list and were housed with a housing association the DAY before our court notice expired. Social services were definatly not involved at all, I think they only do if you are found "intentionally" homeless

YumMum02 · 07/08/2017 19:19

Hello :)
I'm a social worker with a local council so may be able to help😀 The only time we would intervene is if you have no friends or family that you could stay with as we intervene when parents are not giving children basics (food, drink, house, bed , suitable home etc.) or when there is any neglect. If you do not have friends or family, an allocated social worker should be put in place to help you find either a house (through local housing) or temporary housing. If this can not be done, an emergency court order can be taken to 'remove' children for a certain time until a suitable home can be found. I say 'remove' as it is likely for a very short period unless there are complications within the case. If you need any help I would recommend contacting your social workers team leader or talking to your allocated social worker. Also, a family solicitor may also be useful! Good luck with house hunting and remember your SW will be trying to do good on your behalf! Best of luck xxx

Confusedmartie999 · 09/04/2015 15:46

Cheers for the replies
Yes they have a duty to us but it all depends what is available at the time to whether we get offered council accommodation after temporary or private again.
She was honest and the fact we a working household does not help us as private landlords will take us easily so then the only real problem we face is the deposit etc which they offer help with :-(
No end to this horrible insecure feeling that comes with privately renting then.

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sallysimpson · 09/04/2015 14:20

I really feel for you OP, we rented for 7 years with children and had no chance of buying a house . Our landlord threatened to sell the house every time we reported anything and his wife did 3 monthly inspections and criticised everything . She also turned up when we were out and let herself in to measure up! Try ed to royally screw us over on our deposit which we argued with DPS and won! I never felt like it was our home , and with some help, a new job, cutting back a lot and cheap house prices round here we managed to buy . It's only now I can see how ill it was making me being so insecure in rental,dh and I argued a lot and I felt anxious all the time about the 2 months notice. I'd never felt content and felt sick every time the door bell went in case it was landlord or his wife!it's no way to live, especially with children. If there is no chance of buying do everything you can to get a council/ha property With secure tenancy. I really hope whoever gets into government makes some changes to the rental market for families. It really is awful and unless youve lived with that insecurity you cant understand. I am eternally great full to family for helping us get out of it and hope you find somewhere to make a home. good luck x

MistressDeeCee · 09/04/2015 13:32

You have children so you'll be in priority housing need based on Housing Act & Childrens' Act. So you will be rehoused but probably remain a good while in temporary accommodation before you are rehoused permanently, thats something you'll have to put up with.

Fifis25StottieCakes · 09/04/2015 13:11

Oh thats not good is it, sounds like they have a much bigger problem than our council, i would have thought you could go on a general list and build up waiting time for the future. So as long as you get a 12mnth tenancy problem solved but its not for you, your still going to have to keep moving if LL decide's to increases the rent or have new tenants every 12 months.

Confusedmartie999 · 09/04/2015 11:06

Hi,
Just a quick update after speaking with the housing officer this morning at the drop in.
Firstly they don't operate a " general waiting list " anymore.
Not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing as obviously means we can't apply ahead of time, but then I guess it makes it easier for them to house people who are homeless.
We can apply once we are overcrowded, when the eldest child turns 10 but that is 5 years away.
The only rule is you can't have a household income of £60,000 which we don't / never will!
With regards to our current situation, the landlord by law needs to give us 2 months, not 1 month notice to leave. So that's given a little more time.
I have called the estate agent ( whilst in the council office ) and informed them of this and apparently the landlord is thinking about signing another 12 month contract before he sells to retire but without a doubt will increase the rent by at least £50 a month like he did last year.
So if we said no, we aren't paying that, he could then serve us notice.
I asked the council if that would be making ourselves homeless and it wouldn't, the LHA for this borough is £178 per week and we are well over that already.
So whilst they would probably advise us to go private / find us the deposit and rent in advance etc really it all depends on what's available at the time.
As we would be homeless with children we would be in the top priority and would probably be given temporary accomdation for the time being and what happens from then on depends on that they have and whether we could find another 2 bed property in the area at that time for under £1000.
So it's quite confusing really as whilst of course £50 is not a great deal, if he is going to sell next year anyway it seems daft putting off the inevitable as even with a years notice we won't be able to save £3000 for another move.
It just seems like a big risk when we could potentially end up in another private rental as you can NOT refuse settled accomodation as long as the lease is for 12 months :-(

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Fifis25StottieCakes · 08/04/2015 23:51

Yes i was confused about that, its very differernt from my council, mentioned things merging etc so i think the drop in service would be really helpful to you. Good luck

Confusedmartie999 · 08/04/2015 22:00

Thanks for your advice
I'll be going to the drop in on Friday
We aren't mid sussex district Horsham has it's own one and if you start the application process unless you are homeless ( page 1 ) you can't apply as you need to have an overcrowding / medical issue in all other instances which we don't

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Fifis25StottieCakes · 08/04/2015 21:20

If you go to the drop in center they will be able to get you set up and on all the lists you need to be on, thats probably the best way to do it so you know you have done it right

Fifis25StottieCakes · 08/04/2015 21:18

heres the homechoice link

www.midsussex.gov.uk/homemove

Fifis25StottieCakes · 08/04/2015 21:18

This is what i got my house through, it must be national, its called homechoice and it works on a bidding system, to join you have to be on the local housing register. You join, create a log in then bid on properties. Obviously this will take probably years on the normal list but go on and bid for properties so you are actively looking for housing, i was on this but on the priority list. Normal housing on ours works on waiting time. Even if you just join and but some bids in now and again to keep it active you will start saving up waiting time. Its better to be on it then even if you don;t need housed now if you do in say 3 yrs time you will be a lot further up the list

Fifis25StottieCakes · 08/04/2015 21:10

Here is the application form, you cam do it online

www.horsham.gov.uk/housing/housing-register

Fifis25StottieCakes · 08/04/2015 21:08

You can go on the council list even if you are in adequate accomodation so get yourself on the normal list and all the HA list's as well, at least that way if something does happen your already there on the list gaining waiting time

Fifis25StottieCakes · 08/04/2015 21:07

IDK if you have seen this

Horsham District Council's Housing Options Drop In Service takes place at the Council offices at North Point, North Street, Horsham, RH12 1RL between 9.00 am and 11.30 am, Tuesday to Friday. - See more at: www.horsham.gov.uk/housing/preventing-homelessness#sthash.7INIjUor.dpuf

make an appointment and lay all your cards on the table about the high rents and the constants moves, tell them you think your LL may be going to sell and ask what options you have

Confusedmartie999 · 08/04/2015 16:56

Sorry cancel that last question I've looked it up and if you're homeless you have only had to live in the area for 6 months

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Confusedmartie999 · 08/04/2015 16:53

Our LHA is set at £180 a week in this borough and our rent is £250 a week so already way over that.
We don't get any housing benefit or anything, i was just wondering if we were to be given notice not because the landlord was selling but if they up the rent even more if the council would still be bound to us?
Also with this living in the area thing for 2 years what exactly happens if you rent a place for a year and this happens? What do the council do with you if you haven't been there the 2 years required??

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LIZS · 08/04/2015 16:36

The local housing allowance defines the maximum a particular property size is worth locally, for HB purposes. If a rent rose above that you would need to find the difference yourselves and you would only be eligible for the 2 bed rate. Tbh your best bet is to investigate schemes such as loan deposits or rent guarantees do that you are prepared just in case. Charities such as YMCA offer some as well as councils. It would probably mean private rental or possibly ha though.

Confusedmartie999 · 08/04/2015 16:13

Hi,
Yes. No notice as yet.
Does the council decide on how much private rent you should be prepared to pay?
As in if we did get evicted if we refused to pay an increased amount would they hold that against us?

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