To ask what's the beef with benefits?

Yeah, I just like the thought of her having to scroll past that bit with her eyes closed in case she sees something that might change her mind.

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Daisy is unable to answer inconvenient questions. She's not replied to any of mine.

Daisy you say Of course people with children can lose their jobs but it depends on the person as to the effect it has. Those with a good work ethic etc will put all their energy into finding work and will take any job that comes along and move when something better comes up.

But in the meantime what do they do with the kids they can't feed? Are you going to look after them or should they be put down.

I asked you about this earlier but you avoided it.

Oh my friend works full time and had to use a food bank.
I forgot im just about middle aged just now so lord knows who will employ me when i finally retrain!

People !like you Daisy never cease to amaze me, and believe me when I say. I have not lead a sheltered life

Daisy you haven't got a valid argument, or indeed any argument if you don't a) look at evidence provided and b) provide evidence.
People don't choose, in the main to live on benefits, your choice to believe it because the evidence may damage your belief in your political party clearly demonstrates that you have difficulty dealing with reality.

Iliveinalighthousewiththeghost Sun 04-Jan-15 17:38:50
Hi Derek. You're partner walks out. Leaves you alone to bring up his son.
Yet you're the one worried about getting a Sanction. Something not right there.
All we ever is critique for the single parent. I have never once heard one government minister criticsize the absent parent but yet they seem to get off on penilising single mums/dads. Is it because they are an easy target I wonder.

They are misogynistic polices Ghost. Because most single parents are women

Why is it smug to expect people to work to support themselves? Schools teach children and guide them through career choices so is that classed as smug too now?

I won't read the link as no doubt ita just another Tory bashing but I apologise if its a true government site with details stats as I've not clicked on it.

I forgot the MN mantra is to not utter a word about people choosing to live in benefits

I agree a life on benefits is shit and im really worried for my future when my kids are older.
When i was younger i had a great job in the city, i got pregnant and my partner fucked off and left me holding the baby, so i took a lesser paid job closer to home so i wasnt spending hours and hours travelling each day.
New partner, us both working full time, me shifts, new baby, partner fucks off again, I cannot do the shifts as no childcare outside 'normal hours' (should have shoved them in a dog cage with a tin of beans eh).
I was lucky to find a 16hr post that i have been allowed to work during normal childcare hours (it should include evening and weekend work). Its shit pay and im seriously topped up by benefits.
When the kids are older even working more than full time i will struggle massively in this job to keep afloat.
Im lucky that im in Scotland and i think tuition fees are still paid. When my youngest goes to school im going back to college to retrain to hopefully getva better paid job, its the only way ill have to support myself.
You will all be pleased to hear ive been sterilized and sworn off men!!
Oh and ive been paying taxes for over 20 years so i dont feel bad about claiming now.

"JSA is not enough for most people to live on when they have been made redundant, especially if they have lost a well paid job and have a lifestyle that matches their income."

So Woo Woo you are basically saying that the middle classes shouldnt have to adjust their lifestyles in the way that the working classes should. I expect this sort of post from you anyway

Even convicted criminals eat though don't they, Daisy. While people facing a sanction are left Togo hungry along with their innocent children. Can you tell me why or how that is fair.
Also what about the poor gentleman who was an ex soldier fought for our country and he missed an appointment at the j.c. Sanction straight away!. He was diabetic and had no money for food and no electricity to store his medication. He died as a result. His poor body was found surrounded by CVS. His poor poor mind must have been in a turmoil, so howbmuch more do you want the poor to suffer,
His sister has started a petition for an inquest into her brothers death, she was successfull.
I would say the JC worker who autborized the sanction has blood on their hands.

Ilovesooty jobs may not be as abundant as they were years ago but there is still plenty of work out there if you are not picky

Omg really!!

I have one of those perfect few hours a week school term time jobs you mention and it certainly didn't get handed to me on a plate.

Does op mean perks not benefits? I only read first and last pages but that's how it sounds to me...

i'll give you an example of the main"beef" with benefits. My Bil aged 60 served with the army for 25 years, then worked as an electrician for the next 20. Paid all his contributions, never ever been on the dole or claimed any assistance.......until now. Getting loads of grief from the job center, treating him like dirt and giving him such a hard time because he dares to ask for some assistance (to which he's perfectly entitled, having paid into the system).
Food banks have been set up all over the country because people are getting the hated "sanctions" where all money is cut off for up to 8 weeks for something that often isn't their fault. For example a job center will demand why you didn't turn up for an interview, when no letter was ever sent out.
Someone I know got a sanction because they were late by 5 minutes for signing on, but it was because the person in front had taken more time up than they should.
It's not a crime to be poor, and to have to rely on benefits, but the government would have us believe it is. The only "beef" with benefits, is caused by a government who allow people in this country to go cold and hungry while giving billions of pounds in aid to countries (think India) who don't even want it.

That's the thing Daisy, it's much easier for those already in employment to move jobs because employers don't like gaps in employment history and would rather take someone one who has had had very recent employment or is already working in the industry. It's a vicious cycle.

I have no doubt there are people who choose benefits as a lifestyle choice but from my own experience (and clearly many others here), paid employment is the preference for most on benefits.

I think it is because society is based upon competition and not caring. It's all about who has or does what. It isn't about lets make sure we all have enough/nice things but about who is deserving and who isn't.

People go to work to pay for their lifestyle/roof over head etc and to get things and they don't like people who don't work to have more nice things than them. And some working mums/dads are resentful that they have to work and don't see their DC as much yet some mums/dads not working get to stay home.

Yet if you concentrate on being happy in your own life, it doesn't matter so much what others have- whether they work/don't work.

I don't judge those on benefits, I think it is good they have enough to live on (and many don't). But too many do judge.

She can't Derek

She will just pontificate from inside her little bubble while knowing nothing. People with her smug ignorant mindset make me sick.

Daisy I work in employability advice. I know it what's out there and how difficult the process of getting into work is when you're facing barriers already. Do tell us all what your knowledge and experience is based on. I'm sure some of us would love to know.

Daisy of course you're entitled to your opinion, as long as you stop presenting it as fact!

What do you know about sanctions? How many people have died due to sanctions? How many people have ended up at the food bank because of sanctions? Do you consider being sanctioned for going to a job interview reasonable?

There's tough and then there's downright stupid and prohibitive daisy

How do sanction help someone to find a job?

Ilive, that's your opinion and you are entitled to it just like I am to mine. I personally think its a waste of taxes and education for a person to chose not to work and given that millions manage to work and parent then there's no reason not to. A vulnerable person varies in view, I'd see that as a young person leaving care not an adult stating they can't possibly be expected to work as they have a child.

Derek, the sanctions need to be tough. Given how many manage to stay on JSA for so long and not manage to find any kind of work then they need to be tough.

There will never be a policy that everyone will agree on but the playing field could be more level, less could be paid out so it could be better spent elsewhere and we could make it a system to be proud of rather than one that's constantly picked up by TV companies showing it for the laughing stock it is.

It's so easy to judge when you've only experienced one side of a situation though Derek. That's why Shiny Dave is so self assured.