To ask what's the beef with benefits?

"they won't take a zero hour contract"

Do you work on a zero hour contract, handcream? Do you know exactly what it entails?

handcream... i dont think a single mum should have to up and leave the area she knows and has a support system on her own with her child/children just to isolate herself and end up with no support... kids are finding it hard as dad pissed off. so lets move the kids away from their friends and family and fuck them up some more....

long time ago now but my dad was with my mum for over 20 years. she pissed of and left him with us kids. yep after 20 years he knew nothing about her... how would you know people knew little about their partners?

I thought you weren't allowed to turn down a job just because it was a zero hours contract?

That's right. So you effectively put yourself in an even more precarious position.

handcream Stop victim blaming and come up with a reasonable scenario for goodness sake. How do you know that the person who chooses to stay at home, and on benefits isn't looking after a child with undiagnosed special needs, said mum can see her child is struggling so decides to stay at home until child is secure/diagnosed. You don't. You just lump all single mothers into a group labelled feckless.

I know Derek I was only with him for 12 years - so silly to jump in so soon :(

Besides self employed people never know if they'll get enough work to cover their expenses. Yet they don't just say, oh well, better claim benefits instead, just in case I don't get enough.....
No, but they usually get themselves into a reasonably safe position before becoming self employed, eg. having contracts in place and money to tide them over for a period. Not something people can always do. Unexpected redundancies, such as those announced by Citylink on Christmas Day don't leave people in a position of security, do they?

I think it's shtill poshable to be on benefits and eat beef? Did I mish shumthing and am I wrong?
Shurely not by gummy. What's that noise..eh what?.. Quiet over there. Yes, now, where were we...the benefits of berf, no beef, yes it's quitew beneficiakl,b well ye4s sonitv is. I say.

yeah I was immature and stupid when my husband left me for another woman while I was on maternity leave with dd3 - planned btw

I was 39 and you know married and everything

There are some who choose to be a SAHM and then when their partner leaves them wonder where it all went wrong. They then are unable or unwilling to take a job because their partner who they clearly knew little about has left then without a penny.

Of course they believe the state should support them, they don't want to leave the area to find something because they don't want to leave friends and family, they won't take a zero hrs contract and they have lost some of the skills they had when they were working.

But the good old state will support them...

with Tax Credits - at least my CM did

you either don't understand the points people have made about zero hours or you are just being obtuse

do you work?

handcream you say you shouldn't expect the state to pay for you when it doesn't work out with your choice of man.

What should you do? Assume the guy has buggered off leaving you with a small child and no money.

Please explain the proper procedure that mature sensible people would follow on that day.

I thought you weren't allowed to turn down a job just because it was a zero hours contract?

although, it makes no difference really anyway, you can be sacked for any imagined thing at all/ petty reason until you've had your job 2 years you have absolutely no rights.

Besides self employed people never know if they'll get enough work to cover their expenses. Yet they don't just say, oh well, better claim benefits instead, just in case I don't get enough.....

How do you think childminders etc manage?????

Too right. Neoliberal must be heard, won't you think of the children that poor people mustn't have ???

childcare is alot of money. whats point of her working just to hand it over to childminder... it also depends where you live childcare round here is average of 7.00 an hour

Lavender- don't let anyone chase you off the thread because you don't agree with what they saying, some threads pride themselves on patting themselves on the back by having everyone agree with them and get uppity when some one comes in who doesn't.

Not lazy, but if they don't actually need it then it's greedy.

Or if it's because they have a partner who is determined to be a SAHM forever, then yes.

My supervisor at work is on about 26 K a year. His wife used to be a self employed hairdresser but hasn't worked since their DD was born 3 years ago. He reckons she can't work because they can't afford childcare.

Now, how the hell does a self employed hairdresser with years of experience earn less than a childminders fees?

And he can mind the dd on Saturdays as he doesn't work weekends.

BTW, they also have no rent to pay as they live with her very wealthy mother while saving for a deposit.

This kind of scenario is very common and it boils down to people being lazy, fussy and just not wanting to work.

witches are you completely ignoring the point about zero hours contacts deliberately?

no one is being snobby but you can't feed your kids on zero pay

Which points, lavenders?

no... not for being a snob. but if its going to leave them im a worse situation then yes.

a lot of people who work claim tax credit.. is that lazy ?

Ghost spirit-

But why should someone be allowed to turn down a job as a cleaner? Just because they are a snob?

You also said Not mentioned a number of children either, that should be limited naturally by the amount a person can financially and emotionally support in changing circumstances.

So only have children if you have enough money now to afford them even if you end up without a job right? Presumably until they are 18?

EatShit-

I am not saying everyone is like that. But that attitude is very common.

Anyway, why should someone who COULD work be allowed to claim tax credits instead? It's just lazy.