AIBU to be horrified by the new Porn Law?

How mean of us to care about women's welfare! So uptight to think women shouldn't be coerced (physically, mentally, economically)

it's not mean, it's great. But don't paint the other side as people who disagree with that. nobody should be physically coerced into anything. I am not sure what you mean by mental coercion (blackmail?), but as many have pointed out we are all economically coerced into doing things we don't like, and in some cases rather dangerous or poorly paid things. So, while economic coercion isn't great, it isn't unique to this industry.

How dare we question's men's human right to masturbate over whatever they want?!

that's not what people are questioning. People are questioning whether it is right and practical to stop a consensual and regulated transaction. anything that involves physical coercion should be stopped.

Porn isn't educational. Pornographers aren't didacts, either. I would keep learning and porn (of any type) as far apart as possible.

OP

Spanking is allowed, spanking that causes redness is allowed, spanking that causes bruising or cuts isn't.

Lets face it people watch porn not just to get off, but to get ideas so it seems sensible that if you want some ideas for your first BDSM with your partner then porn made in Britain can give you ideas that do not include unsafe practise.

Yes other stuff will be imported, but that is not an argument to have hear.

Most young people watch or have watched porn, do a couple of teenagers know what a safe word or signal is? It seems like a good idea to incorporate it in to porn.

I can't understand any form of Don't ban in the UK what isn't banned in Patagonia, argument. That's not how the law works.

How mean of us to care about women's welfare! So uptight to think women shouldn't be coerced (physically, mentally, economically) into sex acts they have no desire to take part in. How dare we question's men's human right to masturbate over whatever they want?!

Have any of you gazed down at a newborn baby girl and thought "I hope that when she grows up she'll have the right to get fisted in a porn video. And, if she's really lucky, we'll live in a world where she can then be filmed urinating".

You haven't?

So MN doesn't like porn then??

To be fair most of the "banned" acts sound pretty grim anyway!

I'm not sure how to change that.

Surely, however, that should be a consideration, no? if the point of these bans is the protection of certain groups, it doesn't make sense to export the work to places where it will be more dangerous.

I'm not sure at what point politicians have to be realistic about where pornographers set up shop. If you ban practise (a) and (b) they're just going to hop on a bus and go to some place where they're allowed. I'm not sure how to change that.

The Americans do their obscenity lawmaking on a pick and choose basis (not that we don't here, too). I'm only referring to the 1st Am, in the case of porn. They already do it. I think they just don't do it often enough. They've got plenty of stuff they could be banning.

if you want to behave like that, you can bugger off and do it in some other country where it's legal.

this will very likely happen. Is that a good thing? In the UK there are reasonably strong labour protections, and if there are not specifically in the case of porn, we have the infrastructure to change that. In many other countries there are not, and actors there really have no protections.

I think also, in America, lots of this stuff is covered by freedom of expression. The Americans really have to look at the 1st Amendment, at some point. I really can't see how sticking an armchair up your rectum has got anything to do with freedom of expression.

no they don't. The first amendment has served them extremely well and we can learn a lesson from them. I am not referring to porn, but free speech in general. People get muzzled in the UK far too easily.

I think also, in America, lots of this stuff is covered by freedom of expression. The Americans really have to look at the 1st Amendment, at some point. I really can't see how sticking an armchair up your rectum has got anything to do with freedom of expression.

It's not just the Internet. There are professional pornographers out there who are out-disgusting themselves, it seems, simply for the sake of doing that. Why on earth they can't take up golf, or bowling is beyond me. And, I think our law makers are quite right to say, if you want to behave like that, you can bugger off and do it in some other country where it's legal. You're not doing it here.

Quite right too, I say.

You can always tell the stuffy 'up-themselves' commenters from the 'who gives a shit' people...if people want to spank each other and pee on each other, let them it doesn't affect you in any way what people do for porn, don't watch it! But seriously get your head out of your arse and realise that it's the age of the internet that's the problem not the people in the clips....

soon you won't even be able to have kinky sex or even think about having any sort of kink

Technically a lot of BDSM is illegal :( see Spanner case.

i also can't spell on this phone.

flora i mean, thats what they'll try and police next.
Now that I read over it, I sound like a conspiracy theorist. But thats what I believe.

soon you won't even be able to have kinky sex or even think about having any sort of kink

how is that going to happen?

And another thing. Girls go into porn through choice. Just like everything we do in our lives, its a choice. they choose to say yes or no to a job they've been offered money for.
She can easily say no
It's not co-erced and the big companies would NEVER force a girl to do porn that she doesn't want to do. I really don't believe for a second the porn that most (sane) people watch is actually rape. It's just ridiculous that pepole think that. the woman (and the bottom in a gay porn, and the girl in a bukkake video, and the man in a gangang video) have ALL either said yes or no. yes they will have sex with a lot of people, no they won't have sex with a lot of people. simple as that, they'd get more porn actors. "no" means okay we'll get you for the next one, not no, you're going to do it whether you like it or not.

kittykathat see this is what I don't get. How the hell does porn look like rape? Look, you can't even find a "rape" category in The Big 3. It's quite difficult to find REALLY hardcore stuff and even then, i don't watch it. Ever heard of "female friendly"? it is slow, passionate, and involves laughing and joking and shit like that and it's mainly done by real couples in their own bedroom and looks absolutely lovely. thats the sexy part of it. They look like they're having fun in the stuff I watch. I may watch some "hardcore" stuff by other people's standards but at least I don't watch humiliation porn. I may be into that but I don't want to watch it. I don't think I've ever seen a porn video with a woman screaming no, no, stop. I think it would be taken off the big 3 as there are still rules for snuff films and rape porn. its still illegal.
I just... for the life of me.. can't believe they banned what I would call dirty talking! If anyone's ever seen James Deen and Stoya... ooo!
anyway, they can't police it. i don't really care for the porn industry to be quite honest. They can make it here, sell it to france, who sells it back to us.
that gets around prosecution because technically it was produced for french audiences. It's not technically british pornography. its just one more thing they can't police. I wonder what else they're covering up with this. It's like the pasty tax which was obviously used as a cover up for something else.
They say its protecting the children. I say,t he government should stop tryingt o parent the children and make parents parent the children. don't want your kids seeing porn? ban them from going out. ever.
But it's not about saving the children is it? it's saving people from what they want to watch. I thought 1984 was a book? I guess its all coming true isn't it? the thought police are here, soon you won't even be able to hace kinky sex or even think about having any sort of kink... "because it's about child protection" not between cnosentnig adults it's not.
rant over.
and breathe. haha!

idk. i do all of those things with my DP (apart from female ejaculation lol) so yes I am also horrified. its censoring things and I really don't agree with censoring. They're trying to get rid of kinks because they're life endangering. I know from being in "that sort of relationship" if you do things right, nothing really actually "hurts" you and things should DEFINITELY not be "life endangering" if you do it right! -.- Its a load of shit
but then again, i don't really watch it. I just do it.

Porn is not acting. Actors in a murder scene don't actually get murdered, actors shown punching someone are not actually punching someone. In porn, an actor in a scene about fisting are actually getting fisted. Porn is filmed prostitution and prostitution is not a job like any other.

Bulbasaur - quite! I think buying sex should be illegal too. And surely you can see the difference between buying a new pair of shoes and not having somewhere to live?

People get into fetish porn for the money, you imply, not because they want to do it. How is that not economic coercion?

The BDSM community will carry on regardless. Luckily they are (mostly) well versed in being SSC (Safe Sane and Consensual).

Do you know many pro Dommes in the BDSM community? The ones I know will be affected by this.

YANBU.

The BDSM community will carry on regardless. Luckily they are (mostly) well versed in being SSC (Safe Sane and Consensual).

If two consenting adults want to act out rape what's wrong with that?

I would like to see the stats on how many people are forced into porn though.

I'm saying that if porn is your job, and doing a scene you really don't want to do is the only way for you to pay your rent, it's not freely given consent.

Yep, we all have shitty parts of our jobs that if we don't do we don't get paid. Acting is the same way. I highly doubt actors want to be in some of those stupid commercials they do. They aren't coerced.

She has been offered money for a job, like any contract worker. She can choose to accept it or find another one. She can also choose to find a different profession if she doesn't like the current one she's in.

And.. considering the majority of main stream porn is basic positions, I don't think a porn star will be cornered into doing fetish porn. They get into fetish porn because it pays more. Way more. End of.