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to go on holiday without him because my dp can't afford it

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atwitsendbutpaddlinghard · 05/11/2014 20:25

I can afford holidays, my dp can't (he is self employed, earns very little but works very hard, lives in my house and only has to keep himself). I usually pay for both of us. We've been to lots of lovely places he could never have afforded to go if I hadn't paid. He says he can't afford to lose more working days to go on holiday this winter and it stresses him out when I ask him to go with me, which I can understand. AIBU to go without him even to places where I know he'd love to go. He feels upset at the thought of it. I've been lucky to inherit money. I feel life is short and I want to take the opportunity to go places, even if it is selfish. WWYD

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LonelyInDville · 16/07/2024 16:26

I paid for all the holidays with my ex, as he was unemployed/underemployed for the duration of our relationship. It didn't bother me the first couple of years but towards the last year or two I felt resentful. I felt either he could get a side hustle/second job or I would limit the number of holidays I would pay for him, and the rest I would go on alone/with others.

In your situation, I would cut back on the # of holidays I paid for. So if I usually pay for 3, I would only pay for one, and go on the others alone. I think that's fair especially considering you supplement him on everything else.

Eadfrith · 16/07/2024 15:47

It’s whatever is right for both of you. If he’s sitting at home crying into a meal for one while you’re in an exotic place doing fun stuff then that’s a potential problem lol.

CoralReader · 16/07/2024 15:42

I wonder if they are still together

hopefully they are

Molone · 16/07/2024 15:38

JumbleSluffanon · 16/07/2024 15:34

You are showing your considerate side and some concerns by posing the question, and bravery asking for other’s views on this forum. Not everyone is as self-reflecting, but perhaps you are looking for affirmation so you no longer feel an obligation to pay for him, as you’ve been so generous in the past. Perhaps something has changed.

Ask yourself whether you harbour a level of resentment because you’re doing the financial heavy lifting, maybe you wish the financial aspects of your relationship were on a more equal footing. But they’re not right now, and you could choose to accept that as the short to mid term nature of your relationship. Being the bread winner puts you in a position of power, and as they say in all the Spiderman movies, that comes with responsibility.

However, as others have suggested, if you are in a partnership which is not transactional, then perhaps you should or could find a way of going on holiday together in a way that suits you both. Healthy relationships contain shared moments and experiences, and moments where you do your own thing - which one is this?

I find myself in the kind of situation your partner could be in. My partner has gone away for a 5 1/2 week ‘holiday of a lifetime’, with her 15yr role son and her friends, people we usually spend time with, usually as a couple. She went away to Europe earlier in the year with her 4 older kids, for 10 days, which was fine of course. And she offered to pay for them all to go away this time too, which implies she could afford it. But I couldn’t, it was always out of my reach, which she knew, and I felt far too ashamed about not having the money to say I really wanted to come, or to ask her to pay for me. So she made that choice.

Unlike your partner, I guess I’m fortunate because I do have somewhere else of my own, where I can stay. I rent a small charitable cottage in a quiet village, about 160 miles away from my partner’s house. I rent it solely for the purposes of seeing and housing my kids every other weekend, so they don’t have to travel, and so we can maximise our time together.

In the past, my partner and I spent occasional weekends there together, she has said she enjoyed it as peaceful getaway for her. Back then, the costs and time spent travelleing were split pretty evenly, but over the last few months, as she has started working longer weeks, she’s had less time to travel so I do all the travelling between the two houses, so we can spend time together in her house, and with my kids in mine. I work for myself, and can do that from anywhere, she works local to where she lives so the arrangement makes sense, although it costs me in fuel to do it, a cost I gladly bear to sustain our relationship. Over time, her house has become my base, and I have developed friendships with her friends, and made some friends of my own.

Aside from the disappointment she was heading off on holiday without me, and that she was going to be gone for quite some time, a couple of months before she was due to go away, she told me she was planning to Airbnb her house, which meant I’d have to go and stay in my place in the sleepy village alone, without my kids, and a long way from any friends. So I made plans to do some alternative cheap/free things while she was gone. I planned a couple of weeks dog-sitting in a different city, awkwardly for the friends who are on now holiday with my partner. Later on, as it became clear the Airbnb thing wasn’t going to work out, she said I could stay there, but it came too late, I’d already committed to dog-sitting. I regret the decision, but I felt unable to let our friends down. I’m now in their house, looking after their dog, while they are all away together. It’s an awful and isolating feeling.

I know that if circumstances were reversed, I would not have chosen to go on holiday for so long, without paying for my partner to come along with me. Or, I would’ve chosen to do something else we could both afford. I value our time together too much, I value shared experiences and the importance of getting away from our busy and sometimes rather mundane life.

Going away on holiday independently is one thing, but going away with our friends for such a long time is another. I feel hurt and resentful, hurt she’d make a decision like this with no apparent thought for the implications it would have on me, or how it would make me feel not just while she’s away, but for all the months leading up to the holiday, overhearing her and her friends excitedly making plans. No doubt, I will listening to them re-living their shared experiences, next time we’re all back together again.

I feel impotent, unable to buy my way into participating in our relationship. I am also left with the overwhelming impression she doesn’t genuinely care about the impact of her decision, and how it has left me feeling - like I am not valued.

My advice therefore would be, if you can afford it and you value your time together, pay for him to go because you want him there with you to share the experience away from your everyday lives. Do everything you can to maintain a relationship that is experiential and do everything to stop it becoming transactional.

I am eating myself up trying to understand what all this means for me. Perhaps it means nothing and I’m over reacting, but at the moment it’s hard to believe that when it’s so raw and hurts so deeply.

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JumbleSluffanon · 16/07/2024 15:34

You are showing your considerate side and some concerns by posing the question, and bravery asking for other’s views on this forum. Not everyone is as self-reflecting, but perhaps you are looking for affirmation so you no longer feel an obligation to pay for him, as you’ve been so generous in the past. Perhaps something has changed.

Ask yourself whether you harbour a level of resentment because you’re doing the financial heavy lifting, maybe you wish the financial aspects of your relationship were on a more equal footing. But they’re not right now, and you could choose to accept that as the short to mid term nature of your relationship. Being the bread winner puts you in a position of power, and as they say in all the Spiderman movies, that comes with responsibility.

However, as others have suggested, if you are in a partnership which is not transactional, then perhaps you should or could find a way of going on holiday together in a way that suits you both. Healthy relationships contain shared moments and experiences, and moments where you do your own thing - which one is this?

I find myself in the kind of situation your partner could be in. My partner has gone away for a 5 1/2 week ‘holiday of a lifetime’, with her 15yr role son and her friends, people we usually spend time with, usually as a couple. She went away to Europe earlier in the year with her 4 older kids, for 10 days, which was fine of course. And she offered to pay for them all to go away this time too, which implies she could afford it. But I couldn’t, it was always out of my reach, which she knew, and I felt far too ashamed about not having the money to say I really wanted to come, or to ask her to pay for me. So she made that choice.

Unlike your partner, I guess I’m fortunate because I do have somewhere else of my own, where I can stay. I rent a small charitable cottage in a quiet village, about 160 miles away from my partner’s house. I rent it solely for the purposes of seeing and housing my kids every other weekend, so they don’t have to travel, and so we can maximise our time together.

In the past, my partner and I spent occasional weekends there together, she has said she enjoyed it as peaceful getaway for her. Back then, the costs and time spent travelleing were split pretty evenly, but over the last few months, as she has started working longer weeks, she’s had less time to travel so I do all the travelling between the two houses, so we can spend time together in her house, and with my kids in mine. I work for myself, and can do that from anywhere, she works local to where she lives so the arrangement makes sense, although it costs me in fuel to do it, a cost I gladly bear to sustain our relationship. Over time, her house has become my base, and I have developed friendships with her friends, and made some friends of my own.

Aside from the disappointment she was heading off on holiday without me, and that she was going to be gone for quite some time, a couple of months before she was due to go away, she told me she was planning to Airbnb her house, which meant I’d have to go and stay in my place in the sleepy village alone, without my kids, and a long way from any friends. So I made plans to do some alternative cheap/free things while she was gone. I planned a couple of weeks dog-sitting in a different city, awkwardly for the friends who are on now holiday with my partner. Later on, as it became clear the Airbnb thing wasn’t going to work out, she said I could stay there, but it came too late, I’d already committed to dog-sitting. I regret the decision, but I felt unable to let our friends down. I’m now in their house, looking after their dog, while they are all away together. It’s an awful and isolating feeling.

I know that if circumstances were reversed, I would not have chosen to go on holiday for so long, without paying for my partner to come along with me. Or, I would’ve chosen to do something else we could both afford. I value our time together too much, I value shared experiences and the importance of getting away from our busy and sometimes rather mundane life.

Going away on holiday independently is one thing, but going away with our friends for such a long time is another. I feel hurt and resentful, hurt she’d make a decision like this with no apparent thought for the implications it would have on me, or how it would make me feel not just while she’s away, but for all the months leading up to the holiday, overhearing her and her friends excitedly making plans. No doubt, I will listening to them re-living their shared experiences, next time we’re all back together again.

I feel impotent, unable to buy my way into participating in our relationship. I am also left with the overwhelming impression she doesn’t genuinely care about the impact of her decision, and how it has left me feeling - like I am not valued.

My advice therefore would be, if you can afford it and you value your time together, pay for him to go because you want him there with you to share the experience away from your everyday lives. Do everything you can to maintain a relationship that is experiential and do everything to stop it becoming transactional.

I am eating myself up trying to understand what all this means for me. Perhaps it means nothing and I’m over reacting, but at the moment it’s hard to believe that when it’s so raw and hurts so deeply.

Frogme · 06/11/2014 21:43

We holiday separately sometimes. If he can't/won't go then go on your own. No problems.

Personally I couldn't live like you do though. Everything is ours. Inheritances and all. Why on earth wouldn't he make his will to benefit you? Doesn't that upset you? Why wouldn't he show you his will? I just can't get my head round that. It does seem more like flat mates than true partners.

Fairenuff · 06/11/2014 19:55

Sorry, that should say have you talked to him about it, OP, what does he say?

What is it that is upsetting him?

Wombat22 · 06/11/2014 19:51

yes I subsidise him on household expenses, meals out etc, he pays token amount towards household expenses and for his own food.

20 years together and he pays for his own food? Confused

Ragwort · 06/11/2014 19:17

Have you actually asked him to explain why he feels upset at the thought of you going away without him? (Looking back at your initial post).

CharmQuark · 06/11/2014 19:14

Does MN need a Stepford Wives Board?

This man earns his own money. He is hopeless with money. The OP does pay for him to go on holiday and lots of other shared pleasures. She is prepared to pay for him to go on this holiday. In fact she would love him to accompany her. He doesn't want to take more time off work. Why on earth should she tie herself down to his way of doing things?

Fairenuff · 06/11/2014 17:34

Have you talking to him about it, OP, what does he say?

tobysmum77 · 06/11/2014 17:21

yanbu

If wanted to go on holiday once the kids fled and dh didn't/ I had a friend who did - What's the issue?

And op why ask on aibu why not all dp what he wants - you go new with mate or leave it a few months and go together.

Floggingmolly · 06/11/2014 17:07

It does sound a bit cold and soul less, tbh. When you called him dp in your op, I assumed it was a fairly recent relationship. But you've been together 20 years!
And you talk about him like he's a pet. Is he aware that he's had a better quality of life (materially, at least) than he could ever have aspired to without you? Love to be a fly on the wall if you were to tell him...

Bearbehind · 06/11/2014 16:43

I have RTFT Hmm

I wasn't just talking about holidays, more about your whole way of life- there seems to be a lot of resentment on your part but I guess if it's worked for 20 years it's suits you both.

atwitsendbutpaddlinghard · 06/11/2014 16:24

Bearbehind thanks for your contribution but please RTFT "you can't use it to make both of your lives so much more pleasurable." I do I Do I DO

aargh signing off

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Bearbehind · 06/11/2014 15:43

I totally understand your reservations about giving him any of your new found wealth but it does sound joyless from the outside, that you can't use it to make both of your lives so much more pleasurable.

If he won't take the time off because it will be detrimental to his business to do so that's a totally different situation to him not taking the time off because he can't afford the drop in income.

If it's the former then YNBU but if it's the latter then YABU.

lemisscared · 06/11/2014 13:20

You sound like flat sharers rather than a couple. I would be devastated if my partner did that.

andsmile · 06/11/2014 13:19

If it suits you both then fine you dont need to change for anyone Smile

atwitsendbutpaddlinghard · 06/11/2014 13:17

andsmile - yes huge degree of independence - because we share most interests, we spend most of our time off together, though I am a (sporting interest) 'widow' in the summer a bit, but I am completely free to do my own thing generally and I am too old in the tooth now to live any other way.

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magoria · 06/11/2014 13:16

If he didn't put £££ towards his hobby he could afford time off in order to go on holiday.

This is the choice he has made. The choice he wants to make.

OP is not being unreasonable to go away alone which is the equivilant of her hobby in my opinion.

andsmile · 06/11/2014 13:10
  • so Im just interested and this is not a loaded comment - so you could say you retain a degree of independance within your commitment to one another?

DH and I have always done a lot together and now with kids - neither of us goes off to for long to do other stuff. We happy this way but I understand this would nto suit others, indeed we have friends who are differnt to us in this respect.

I'd go on your holiday. Yes there are many things I get little jealous over re DH and he does of me...but we talk, overall our grass is green POV even out by the weekend when we are all together!

atwitsendbutpaddlinghard · 06/11/2014 13:04

wow! I am amazed this is still live, thanks for your interest

the point about the holiday was the potential for his hurt feelings at being left behind because he can't afford to miss 5/10/whatever number of days/months earnings, against my passion for travelling as much as I could ever cram in before I get decrepit, and my unwillingness to wait until he draws his pension, and my feeling yes ok I will admit it, a slight resentment, (but only very slight one, and whose relationship is that perfect that they don't feel a tinge of resentment about something in relation to their dh/dp? whether clutter/children/affection whatever) that his potential for hurt feelings means I won't travel as much as I long to - I guess that's compromise for you..

to broaden it out beyond holidays as some of you have done - and please be kind - first post on aibu - as kewcumber said, we stay together because we want to, yes either could leave at any time, but we get on really well and don't want to. inheritance is recent, but I was always by far the higher earner and hence have always shared by paying the greatest share of costs (not pooled assets in one place). I will not share earnings/inheritance in one joint pot because a) he has appalling track record with money - past debts, no understanding of or desire to save, spendthrift sometimes, (which is why I "share" by paying expenses and for lovely holidays, but not handing £ directly to him though I have thought about it, but NO!!), and equally b) if he were to die first - the money /share of house would go to his family as he hasn't made a will - I could find that I have to sell my home because someone in his family wants their money out of it - NO WAY. Even if he did make a will, I'd never know what was in it, and it could be changed at any time. His family are nice enough, but not so dear to me that I wish to give them the money my grandparents and parents worked hard for or part of my home.!

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andsmile · 06/11/2014 11:52

20 years! mised that bit and 'living together is not a commitent' as kew said. I had more sharing and 'commitement' from my (at the time) DP after 20 days.

Whats mine is mine and yours is yours eh?

Bearbehind · 06/11/2014 11:50

Doesn't anyone else think that it's weird the OP sees the inheritance as 'hers' anyway?

She's been with her partner for 20 years and I've got the impression the inheritance is a fairly recent thing (but I might be reading between the lines too much there)

Ok, they're not married but their relationship has lasted a lot longer than many marriages.

I can't imagine being with someone for even half that time and still seeing a windfall like that as only 'mine'

I'd be interested to know when the inheritance was received.

andsmile · 06/11/2014 11:42

I think thats a great way to do cherry relative payments.