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To try for a 3rd child in my circumstances...

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Wicks71 · 04/09/2012 10:14

Name changed.

I am becoming so indecisive that I can't see the wood for the trees sometimes. It's weird as professionally, I make decisions all the time, but I am becoming totally useless in my home life (where to live, schools etc). I realise that I am incredibly lucky and that this is a good dilemma to have so I hope I don't get too flamed for being self-indulgent but I just wanted to see what other viewpoints there are.

I've just turned 41. I have 2 children. At one stage I didn't think this was going to happen at all for us so I do count my blessings all the time. I had my eldest when I was 35 (after undergoing IUI after trying to get pregnant for several years) and I had my youngest at 38 - after undergoing 3 IUIs and 2 cycles of IVF. The 2nd cycle of IVF was a huge success (obviously! She's currently upstairs causing havoc) - and I have 4 frozen embryos. For the past year or so, DP and I have been going back and forward about trying for a 3rd. We've been going round in circles - basically torn between head (counting our blessings with the 2 we have and quitting whilst we are ahead, our age etc) and heart (a BABY!). We'd kind of decided that we were going to leave it - well not really "decided", but the fact that we couldn't make a decision to take the plunge was meaning that by default we weren't doing it, if you see what I mean. But neither of us could let it go and it's occupies a huge part of our head space. The good (or bad?) thing is that we both feel pretty much the same and so it's not a case of one of us desperately wanting another child and the other being reluctant - but it does mean that we've been going round in circles somewhat.

A bit factor for me is age - I'm 41. Part of me thinks its too old but part of me thinks that in this day and age it really isn't. What's the general view on that?

We wouldn't try naturally - it's not worked for us in the last 10 years and also we have the 4 frozen embryos sitting there. Whilst I don't feel a huge moral obligation to absolutely give one of the 4 frozen embryos a chance of life (I mean that the fact that they are there isn't the deciding factor in itself), I do feel that if I am going to try for a 3rd, I should go down that route and give one a chance.

I think that because I'm one of 3 children myself, then it feels like the right number for me. We do have practical considerations about 3 (might need to move house - though we might have to do that anyway, it would probably mean ruling out private schools etc) but none of those seem to be the determining factor in themselves. I'm not massively hung up on private schools - DP was veering in that direction (for kids from age 7 or 11) but last night we both said that we thought it would be mad to let that dictate whether we gave our kids a sibling. I work part-time and would probably continue to do so if I had a 3rd child.

I would say that my biggest concern is my age. I worry about being not only too old to have another kid but also (just to be really morbid!) about being an old mum for them further down the line - ie how long will I be around. A neighbour died last year in her early 40s leave 3 under 4s. I plan to be around longer that that (hopefully!), but it did drive home to me that when they are in their 20s, I'd be in my 60s etc. So different to my mum who had my sister at 21 and all 3 of us by the time she was 29. Am I obsessing too much about numbers?

On the flip side - the 2 year old daughter of one of my closest friends died a couple of years ago - I've been at her side throughout and it's inevitably shaped me too - she says that she feels like a victorian mum now and wants as many as she can. I do now think that if something happened to one of my kids, they'd be on their own. These 2 situations are having a bit impact on my thinking.

Sorry, I've rambled a lot now. As of last night, we are thinking "fuck it", we are going to go for it.

My sister took the plunge a few years ago and had a 3rd at 41 (after having her first 2 in her early/mid 30s). She deliberated over the decision for a bit and ironically says that it was something I said that helped make up her mind to go for it - ie that you might regret not doing it but you are unlikely to regret doing it. Easy to say when it's someone else I'm advising! Should I take the same advice myself?!

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Readandsew · 06/06/2025 18:25

Regardless of how you are conceiving, a very good friend of mine who had 3 children told me ' I have three children, but only two hands'. This stuck with me, and I have two children...

Spoton100 · 06/06/2025 18:17

@Wicks71 I’m curious too. What’s the end of the story?

Knackered80 · 23/01/2022 08:20

My apologies, I’ve just joined here and didn’t realise it was an old thread. Sorry for my error.

MimiDaisy11 · 23/01/2022 05:11

I don’t understand why people post on old threads but I didn’t realise it was a zombie so read it thinking it was recent. Now I’m curious if OP went ahead with it. @Wicks71

HiCandles · 22/01/2022 22:50

ZOMBIE THREAD

@Knackered80 why on earth would you suddenly post on this 9 year old thread?!

Would be intrigued to know if OP did have a third child though!

Knackered80 · 22/01/2022 22:25

I had my first at 39 and second at 43, both ivf babies. Would love another if it was humanly possible !

Wicks71 · 06/09/2012 21:04

oh blimey no, bluegingham - definitely wouldn't put 2 in at a time! I didn't when I had my daughter and and wouldn't this time (if there is a "this time"!). I may be indecisive but I am sure about that!

Counsellor was nice - it was helpful for me and DP to air our thoughts in that forum but I'm not sure it's got us any closer to an answer. I'm going to sleep on it all for a few days.

One thing that I said stuck out for me - ie that in some ways, the situation that would give the most relief (ie the one with no chance of regrets) would be for us to do it but for it not to work. If I think like that, maybe that means I don't want to do it? (I was putting forward a good case both for and against today. The counsellor said that whatever we decide, it will certainly be a thought through decision - no shit!)

On the flip side - I went to the GP tonight and we looked at my discharge notes from my last c-section (I'd not see this before despite having got hold of my medical records) The obstetrician had written that it was a "small bladder serosal [a membrane] tear at operation due to adhesions. Catherter kept for 48 hours. No further concerns." The GP said that that is pretty common and didn't think it was a matter for concern but is going to ring the obstetrician tomorrow to clarify.

It all goes into the mix!

scubastevie - I know that the optimum time is in ones 20s. That's part of the reason why I have reservations and why I'm here fretting about it all. Not sure I've fitted back in pre-pregnancy jeans since my first pregnancy though to be honest!! Grin

Gentleness - I totally understand what you are saying and I think that I would advise someone in my position to wait a month or so to decide too but my instinct is that I don't want to wait another month to decide. I've been doing that for a year and a half - we need to make a decision.

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Wicks71 · 06/09/2012 21:03

oh blimey no, bluegingham - definitely wouldn't put 2 in at a time! I didn't when I had my daughter and and wouldn't this time (if there is a "this time"!). I may be indecisive but I am sure about that!

Counsellor was nice - it was helpful for me and DP to air our thoughts in that forum but I'm not sure it's got us any closer to an answer. I'm going to sleep on it all for a few days.

One thing that I said stuck out for me - ie that in some ways, the situation that would give the most relief (ie the one with no chance of regrets) would be for us to do it but for it not to work. If I think like that, maybe that means I don't want to do it? (I was putting forward a good case both for and against today. The counsellor said that whatever we decide, it will certainly be a thought through decision - no shit!)

On the flip side - I went to the GP tonight and we looked at my discharge notes from my last c-section (I'd not see this before despite having got hold of my medical records) The obstetrician had written that it was a "small bladder serosal [a membrane] tear at operation due to adhesions. Catherter kept for 48 hours. No further concerns." The GP said that that is pretty common and didn't think it was a matter for concern but is going to ring the obstetrician tomorrow to clarify.

It all goes into the mix!

scubastevie - I know that the optimum time is in ones 20s. That's part of the reason why I have reservations and why I'm here fretting about it all. Not sure I've fitted back in pre-pregnancy jeans since my first pregnancy though to be honest!! Grin

Gentleness - I totally understand what you are saying and I think that I would advise someone in my position to wait a month or so to decide too but my instinct is that I don't want to wait another month to decide. I've been doing that for a year and a half - we need to make a decision.

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Bluegingham · 06/09/2012 20:06

I'd do it. And I'd have 2 put back too. It's usually only a 30% chance of twins even with 2 good blasts.

chandellina · 06/09/2012 19:49

Any doctor or fertility expert would be hard pressed to say anything other than that the 20s are the optimal time, physically. But most pregnancies and births in women's 30s and 40s will be completely normal and healthy.

I say go for it, there are something like 30,000 children born each year to UK mums over 40.

scubastevie · 06/09/2012 18:58

Can't do links as on phone, but I've just always heard optimum time for pregnancies is twenties eg below. Not to say as you said that other factors can be as or more important.

www.ehow.com/about_4571214_age-baby.html

www.buzzle.com/articles/best-age-to-have-a-baby.html

expatinscotland · 06/09/2012 18:32

'don't they say you're body best copes with pregnancy when you're young.'

No. For example, being obese is associated with greater problems in childbirth in younger mothers same as older ones. Women have been having babies in their late 30s and 40s for centuries.

scubastevie · 06/09/2012 18:13

I wasn't saying anyone should do anything, I gave my personal opinion about what I and only me, would do.
And of course some people don't 'choose' to have them later in life, that's just the way it goes really, I didn't say they all did.
I also gave my personal account of having older parents, as have others, just to give a another view.
What I was trying to say about easier births etc (weird how the jeans thing stood out) was something like, don't they say you're body best copes with pregnancy when you're young. However, this does not mean women older than this do not have easier births etc, as you have pointed out gentleness.
However I don't believe it's a silly assumption to say a lot of women (this does not mean all) leave children til later - i think this is quite well documented.
As I said I was giving another view that goes against the grain, I don't feel sorry for anyone's children but I am allowed to have my own opinion.

expatinscotland · 06/09/2012 17:34

Here, here, Gentleness!

Gentleness · 06/09/2012 16:09

to scubastevie - not every women chooses to have kids late so less of the silly assumptions please. I married at 32 having been declared infertile at 27. After a surprise impossible pregnancy discovered only when we had an early miscarriage, it took 3 years and 2 further miscarriages before we had our son. I was 35 then. My pregnancies have been much, much easier than those of some friends who were 5 to 15 years younger. And deliveries. And breastfeeding. I'm tough enough and have experience enough to deal with the challenges anyway. That's a great thing age gives you.

It's sad that your life experiences have been so limited that you are still unaware that women over 50 can be way more interesting, remarkable and useful than women 30 years younger. Don't feel sorry for my kids, they've got the benefit of my years and acquired sense that will help them avoid being defined by other people's assumptions. And I don't think I'll be bringing them up to truly care about the size of anyone's jeans....

iggi777 · 06/09/2012 15:19

Scubastevie not "pinging back into your jeans" is hardly a reason not to have a child.
Where my ds has just started school, most of the women dropping off are clearly well into their thirties.

expatinscotland · 06/09/2012 09:55

I agree with Gentleness, leave it for a month and revisit.

expatinscotland · 06/09/2012 09:53

I used to say I wouldn't have a baby over 35, too. When I was foolish and time was on my side. I ate my words. Twice.

expatinscotland · 06/09/2012 09:53

'I know a lot of women leave having babies til later in life now but that doesn't mean its 'right'.'

So women who weren't able to find a suitable partner willing to parent with them until they're 35 should just not have children?

My easiest conception and birth was when I was 37.

scubastevie · 06/09/2012 09:43

I'm going to go against the grain here and am shocked at how many say just go for it. Personally I wouldn't have a baby over 35, not least because of health implications (higher risk mc, more difficult preg and birth, more chance of abnormalities etc) but also to think about how the actual baby will feel having such older parents. My mum had me quite late and I hated having old parents, it was so much more difficult to relate to them etc as they are just that much older and just didn't 'get' things. Not to mention that they won't have you around for as long as they probably want, or to be young grandparents to their children. I'm not saying that this is the case all the time but it is something to consider.
Also how it will impact you, if you say you're already not a tidy/organised person no.3 will add another persons mess and washing to the equation.
I know a lot of women leave having babies til later in life now but that doesn't mean its 'right'. You will find that younger mothers usually have easier births/labours, less stretch marks and will ping back in their jeans much quick because unfortunately that is what nature intended.
I hope this gives another perspective. Good luck with whichever decision you make, only you can know what feels right for you.

Gentleness · 06/09/2012 08:29

Why not try making the decision for a month and seeing how it sits. If you decide to go for it next month, you'll have time to cancel.

Looking at your list is a lesson in why pro/con lists sometimes bring stalemate. Each point needs some kind of weighting which is impossible to quantify and maybe one heart point is enough to discount 10 head points.

One thing though: a couple of your cons stood out. Time and patience. Can you imagine making further changes after a new baby that would help if they remained a concern? That might be a tipping point.

Wicks71 · 05/09/2012 23:18

So still prevaricating. Two nights ago (the night before I started this thread) we were minded to go for it. Last night we both had a major volte face on that and were completely panicking at the idea. Tonight - we are somewhere between the 2 (our resting state for the last year!). It's weird - we both are in exactly the same frame of mind about it all. It would be easier in many ways if one of us was gung ho about doing it or conversely very much against the idea.

Scan today was fine - I could go ahead this month if I wanted. I'm hoping the counsellor tomorrow will help order my thoughts a bit. I've been writing a pros and cons list in advance and then DP and I are going to sit down and discuss it properly tomorrow and who knows, maybe make a decision!

I have to say - the "cons" list is longer. The pros is very much - that I have always liked the idea of 3 (not least being one of 3 myself), that I think it would be good for my kids to have another sibling (especially being there for each other when older) and that I worry I'd regret not doing it - particularly worried about something happening to one of mine (not that they are replaceable, but more that they wouldn't be on their own if I had another), oh and that it would be A BABY! And I love my kids - we seem to make rather cute ones! Wink

The cons range from the fact that we should count our blessings and stop (quit whilst we are ahead, with 2 healthy kids), to age issues (health implications, being an old mum, longevity issues - ie how long would I be around etc) c-section issues (complications/risks), practical issues (money, house, car school), time/attention for each (I work too and already am spreading myself thinly), lack of patience/tiredness, stress on relationship etc. Well, there's my list to discuss tomorrow!

I know that if I was 5 (or even 2 or 3) years younger, I'd go for it. I also know that if the embryos weren't sitting there - then I wouldn't be considering trying for a 3rd naturally or by a fresh IVF cycle.

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Gingerodgers · 04/09/2012 23:19

Every day you don't do it, you are getting older. If that is the main consideration for holding off, then you should just go ahead and do it today. Goodluck, if all else fails, get a dog, it sort of grounded our family! We live away from family support, we're older and decided to count our blessings and stick to two, but we would have really liked four. Do we regret it? Kind of and kind of not. Sorry, not very helpful.

MummytoKatie · 04/09/2012 23:03

I'm a bit younger than you (just turned 33) but we have just been soul searching about having a second child.

Dh was very keen, I not so sure.

In the end I realised that that month I was fairly (although not completely - I've only just given up breastfeeding and my cycle is a bit of a mess) sure that I had already ovulated that month. So we started trying knowing that it almost certainly wouldn't work.

When at the end of the month we found I wasn't pregnant I was sad (rather than relieved) so we are now trying properly. (As of last night! Blush)

Are you using contraception at the moment? Could you stop? I know the odds for you must be teeny but if you did get pregnant then it really would be "meant to be". And if you don't then you would have a much clearer idea how you feel about it.

It's the Russian Roulette way of making a decision!

Teamumizumi · 04/09/2012 22:45

I had DS at 42 after 4 years of trying / miscarriages. I worry that I will be 60 when he's 18 but there are quite a few mums in their 50s with youngish children so he won't be the only one. What will be will be.

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