AIBU to draw your attention to this...

I don't use products tested on animals whenever possible (except medicines). I do, however, boycott Lush for their hypocritical support of "Plane Stupid".

A friend of mine (aged 20) is in Jail for demonstrating against animal testing, she isn't violent just very clued up and intelligent and a true activist, she is still serving her sentence now, it is very sad but big drugs/cosmetics companies are EXTREMELY powerful, I beleive the only way to stop this is, to stop creating a demand.

So stop getting sick?

*Please don't equate animal testing for drugs discovery and animal testing for cosmetics.

Animal testing for cosmetics is unnecesary and illegal in the UK. Animal testing for new drugs is an absoletely essential part of drug development. Evey effort is made to reduce and replace animals where possible. Scientists in Pharma companies are not evil people that do this for fun. They are dedicated scientist that want to find cures for human (and animal) diseases.*

Totally agree BulletProofMum

Please don't equate animal testing for drugs discovery and animal testing for cosmetics.

Animal testing for cosmetics is unnecesary and illegal in the UK. Animal testing for new drugs is an absoletely essential part of drug development. Evey effort is made to reduce and replace animals where possible. Scientists in Pharma companies are not evil people that do this for fun. They are dedicated scientist that want to find cures for human (and animal) diseases.

PeppaPig, it states right here on the European Comission Affairs Website ec.europa.eu/consumers/sectors/cosmetics/animal-testing/index_en.htm that:

"The testing ban on finished cosmetic products applies since 11 September 2004; the testing ban on ingredients or combination of ingredients applies since 11 March 2009. The marketing ban applies since 11 March 2009."

And according to the RSPCA, "The RSPCA has campaigned long and hard to end the use of animals in cosmetics testing. In the UK, we welcomed the government‟s announcement in 1997 of a ban on the use of animals to test cosmetic products, and on cosmetics ingredients in 1998."

So why are you telling me its not banned?

It is completely pointless banning animal testing in the UK/EU when other countries demand animal testing.

So although lush do not test on animals in the EU if they want to export to China (and others) then the products they know are safe have to be tested on animals.

A friend of mine (aged 20) is in Jail for demonstrating against animal testing, she isn't violent just very clued up and intelligent and a true activist, she is still serving her sentence now, it is very sad but big drugs/cosmetics companies are EXTREMELY powerful, I beleive the only way to stop this is, to stop creating a demand.

hmmm so animal testing of cosmetics is banned in the UK. I guess that this is different from saying that products which have been tested on animals are banned in the UK. So l'oreal can test in France and then import to the UK?

makes fuck all difference to me as I don't think animal testing is even close to being the most evil thing done by the cosmetics industry...I am just trying to understand why what should be a straight forward fact seems to be muddled up.

Peppa, The bad ethics of the body shop is exactly why I'm jaded with all this.
Thanks for clarifying lush's position though, I'll go and have a proper look at the company.
As you know what you're talking about, I'll say YANBU :o

dont damnit!!!

Infuriating isn't it when bad things happen to good points

And I NEVER miss the point

Just to clarify...I am not saying Lush are right or wrong or anything else, just that this MIGHT be a mole-ish advert for them.

As you were.

I don't see why anyone would think you are connected to Lush. Anyone who shops in Lush regularly knows their ethics.

That came up on my FB today (because I have Lush updates) and I signed it and shared it.

Not commenting on th epetition as such because i haven't read it yet, but Lush are sooooo Lush!

YABU. I don't want my attention drawn to inflammatory bullshit.

My biggest concern atm is the amount of cleaning products tested on animals and that Tesco is the only supermarket operating in Britain whose own brand products are completely free from animal testing.

I don't know Lush but if they are under the arm of certain large companies they are still attached to animal testing.

There's a lot of financial gain for the UK government to allow animal testing in the UK. I'm too jaded to think anything will change. I'm not an activist, I just shop wisely.

The petition says: ?I believe that animals shouldn?t suffer and die to test cosmetics or their ingredients. All cosmetics should be cruelty-free and I support a ban on cosmetics animal testing and on the sale of new cosmetics that have been tested on animals.?

This is already illegal in the UK, and in the EU. I looked through the website and mostly just ended up reading about why Lush thinks Lush is awesome. Besides this being one big advertisement for Lush, what are they actually doing, and who is this petition aimed at?