to grass this colleague up?...sorry, long!

Yabu. As you correctly said it's not your place. And to be honest nothing you've said is all that outrageous. There will always be people who don't work as hard as you, wherever you work. That's life.

Ooh I have a colleague like this. The boss is fully aware that she's using my ideas for herself etc and he goes along with it.

Nowt I can do. I don't like it but not alot of jobs out there. So I grin and take it on the chin and ensure I don't help her out at all when boss isn't there (and boy, she needs lots of support).

I wouldn't bother. It looks like your colleagues habits have been noted by others. You work in a small office and it will take a few months for everyone to know and then they'll all say something.

I know it is a bit sad I'll admit, I was intrigued after your indignant reply about being a hypocrite thats all. And it only took me about a minute to squizz down the list of ALL the posts you have EVER made (a handful) and see the times.

So to sum up, yes you are a bit of a hypocrite but it does sound like he is taking the piss more. But he will get sussed out if his skiving is affecting his work, and as long as it only affects his work let him dig his own grave.

I'd leave it. Honestly. No good will come of it. I get what you're saying about your previous senior boss saying you should have blown the whistle but he was just spraying blame around as it was his job to notice. Just as it's this guy's boss's job to notice.

I wouldn't say anything to be honest. I've worked with a few people who either haven't been arsed to get on with the job or are downright devious in avoiding additional work. They have in both situations been found out by our manager as an incidental thing; each time the manager has looked into the situation himself and seen what's been happening and the matter has been dealt with. I think if you give people like your colleague enough rope he'll eventually hang himself and you won't be left looking like a grass / brown nose etc!

Fatima - well, one was defo in work time as OP said as much on the post. Also as you know how many posts someone makes doesnt reflect how much time they spend on here. I could spend 4 hours on MN and not post once, just as the OP could be on it all day long and only post twice.

YANBU for considering it but I wouldn't if I were you. You are fairly new and have a reputation to build and depending on your bosses response may mean you are labelled as a trouble causing snitch or someone trying to be helpful. I would keep quiet as he will be discovered - the commission figures will speak for themselves. Eventually.

griblet not sure that two post during potential work hours could be classed as skiving as much as the colleague is.

I probably wouldn't say anything but would inwardly seeth

the only time you should make an issue of it is if it directly impacts on your workload ie if he is leaving all the work to you and then stealing credit for your sales

you have said this is not the case as you are in a diff dept..therefore i think leave well alone. if there is a probationery period things like facebook may well already be monitored. he might have come to a private arrangement with the boss to have a flexible start time than the contract states due to family commitments

some managers would rather have a staff member who exceeds sales but is a little late everyday, than one who is always on time but doesn't meet targets.

you should just concentrate on making sure your work excels his to get you noticed for the right reasosn

Haven't read all the replies...

But no, I would not snitch/grass him up.

It would only make you look bad (and things have a funny way of hitting you back in the face..if only cos he's probably a toxic kind of person).

He will get his comuppance (sp?) soon enough.

OK, for the first time ever I have searched on previous posts by an OP, only because you did seem so outraged at the suggestion that you would use MN for anything other than research.

It does seem that you are indeed in that glass house OP.

unless it affects you directly then just keep out of it. Nothing to do with you.

Agree it must be annoying but thats all it would be to me, an annoyance.

IMO you havent been there long enough to be embedded in the business and know how it works, the people, management style etc. You never know how things pan out, he could somehow find out it was you who snitched, be a great worker anyway and be your manager one day, which could be awkward to say the least.

If its sales etc then believe me, if hes crap he will be found out. On the other hand he might be absolutely shit hot and if so companies can forgive lateness and a bit of shirking if the person brings results in.

Id leave it, its not affecting you apart from being annoying. If you insist on doing it then first ask yourself if when you MN for 'research' do you really not have a peak at other stuff? Or in other words people in glass houses etc

also perhaps you need to take a lunch break away from the computer. It is not good for you to be there all the time. Go for a walk or something. You sound too sanctimonious for your own good. sorry, that may sound a bit harsh.

I would leave it TBH but could you chat to someone else who is neutral and see if they have noticed. I am sure he will be found out by your bosses without you saying anything.

It may make it arkward for you then, if you want to make a personal call or look at a non work website for a few minutes. Keep your head down.

Must be annoying but concentrate on your own work, you aren't his boss and if his actual boss was paying more attention he wouldn't be able to get away with it. Saying something will just make you look bad unfortunately.

i wouldn't say anything. I also work in a small team and one member of that team was completely unproductive, on FB a lot, not keeping good time and generally being a lazy so and so. Myself and some colleagues brought this to the attention of the managers as we were so fed up with it. She is now accusing us of bullying her which is completley untrue. Wish we hadn't said anything now. Seems like these sort of people always get away with it so just keep doing what you are meant to be doing and try to ignore him. I would.

I hate little busy bodies looking for approval from the boss. Mind your own business and get on with your work. You always get one in an office. You have hardly been there for a while and your beak is already in. Relax.

Yeah, I agree managers notice more than you might imagine. It is in their best interest after all, not yours. Leave it. Worst case for you, they tell you he is doing brilliantly and wonder why you are so interested in his every move. Best case, I think, you raise something they already suspect. Is it worth a very awkward conversation to bring something to a head a little sooner?

I have owrked with two people like this in the past so I know it's infuriating, but to be honest I don't think it made a blind bit of difference. I don't think you can do yourself any favours by getting over-involved. Bosses notice more than you think. Keep your head down and your own own nose clean and make yourself indispensible and his weaknesses/laziness will show soon enough. Listen to what Proudnscary says.

Hmmm. Seeing Facebook open on his screen means nothing; he could just be leaving it open especially if his wife/friends habitually use it for messaging.

The time thing could be different for different roles. If his pay is nearly all commission, it's basically up to him how much effort to put in and therefore earn. You would need to find out from him, or somebody in the same role, whether his hours are less rigid than yours.

Stealing sales is unforgiveable imo. You could probably work with your friend to ensure that it becomes obvious if he's taking credit where it's not due.

Summary: I think you need to be more sure of your facts before dobbing him in.

maybe they are aware but dont sweat the small stuff as he is bringing in sales ... maybe more than you.