To think all men are basically pervs?

The biology argument is bollocks.

Yes a teenage girl is fertile and can get pregnant, doesn't mean any girl should though.

And teenage girls are more at risk of miscarriage. Dont know exact statistics but they are. And the reason for that is i guess, that their bodies arent mature enough to carry a pregnancy.

Now i cannot belive the bullshit that men fancy 15 yr old girls because it's biology and they look like women. We are not talking cavemen.

I do find younger men attractive, for sure. Men though, not boys. Well over 18.

And yes, I could appreciate that a 16 yr old boy may be very good looking, but that would be it. No sexual thoughts. Yuck.

However, a man ogling a sexily dressed teenager is most likely having sexual thoughts.

I don't agree that all men are pervs, but I do think many men do view much, much younger women in what I would consider an inappropriate way.

It all sounds pretty normal to me.

Archemedes I know, I know. To this day my mum still phsl when she remembers us driving home with me in the car making "ick" noises all the way home.

Not sure if this has been said already, but isn't it also because men are so bleedin obvious with their look up and downs? something about lack of periphery vision? i think women look too (maybe not as young), but i think they're a lot more discrete about it. men stare, women glance. maybe?

As wierd as it sounds an episode of scrubs summed this up quite well.

often these 'openly slobbering men' are products of a different generation they've probably been behaving like that since their teens. its not really something that starts as they get older. Just no-one wants to see an old'un perving :D

Archemedes, one of my male relatives is very very attractive (he models). We were at a charity rugby match and he changed his shirt. I literally went "gosh" in my head at his torso and about 20 seconds later "eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew".

haha you sicko!!

It isn't nice to openly slobber over anyone, no matter how gorgeous, to the point where the person feels uncomfortable. It isn't all that nice for adults (irrespective of gender) to make remarks about the attractiveness of young teens if the teen might overhear, if the remarks are vaguely lecherous. It's one thing being 15 and dressed up in your latest and wanting people to think you look wonderful, but actually hearing someone old enough to be your dad, who you don't fancy in the least, mutter about what they could do with you, a bottle of baby oil and a couple of Abel & Cole veg boxes could absolutely traumatize you.

However, the adult who looks at the glammed-up teen and thinks slightly wistful or indeed lustful thoughts but keeps those thoughts private/at least only shares them with friends somewhere the teen is going to be unaware of them, isn't doing anything wrong.

This has been slightly on my mind of late as one of my friends (in her 40s) has a 17-year-old admirer. I have been taking the piss mercilessly giving her advice along the lines of, it's fine, you're a decent person, be kind and friendly and steer him in the right direction and I will stop calling you Garriet Glitter.

Men can't get pregnant Jackin; it will not have any impact on their bone development if they impregnate somebody else. The average amount of time it takes for them to support themselves in most natural cultures is 18-21 years. But the whole biology argument still seems ridiculous and irrelevant anyway.

People on here are saying, men look at 16 year olds because they're more fertile (no, they aren't) presumably because men have an overwhelming urge to impregnate 16 year olds (no, they don't).

Most men don't want to impregnate 16 year old girls. In fact, most men, most of the time, don't want to impregnate anybody of any age. They find people sexually attractive and want to have sex with them for a wide range of reasons, most of which have nothing to do with anybody's fertility.

What has age got to do with it?

Most men and women find certain physical forms attractive - whether that is the form of a 15 year old or 50 year old is irrelevant!

The Cadburys Caramel bunny was an animated rabbit and she was 'perv'd' over by thousands of men!

A culture in which tabloids run countdowns to 16 year olds birthdays

men don't stop develping till they're 25. So you're saying that to fancy them under that age is wrong?

I agree with SGB that there is nothing wrong with a girl wanting to look attractive.

I do think it is odd that people try to justify adult men ogling 16 year olds by claiming it is biology. There isn't a good biological reason for finding 16 year olds, whose bodies haven't finished growing so have extra physical issues in pregnancy, to be particularly attractive. I can understand the argument for a 20 year old, but not for a 16 year old.

Humans feel protective towards the young, so you'd feel that biological instinct to protect somebody who hasn't even finished growing and in most societies wouldn't yet have finished acquiring the skills to entirely provide for themselves, let alone a baby, would be most people's first instinct. So if a lot of men actually do look at 16 year olds more than women in their twenties or early thirties, that is something about our culture or them as people, not nature.

Absolutely SGB. That's why in black & white it doesn't work.

Archemedes, one of my male relatives is very very attractive (he models). We were at a charity rugby match and he changed his shirt. I literally went "gosh" in my head at his torso and about 20 seconds later "eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew".

I think whats worse is at a family event, I think any gender/age to gawp and gurn like a perve at a family is really innapropriate. its a bit inbreedy and wierd.

Anecdotally of course, under 18's seem to be bravely battling against those odds, and succeeding in becoming parents.

So i really wouldn't recommend that anyone rely on that table as a contraceptive...

There isn't actually anything disgusting or wrong in teenagers wanting to attract attention, either. Not even if the attention they are trying to attract is that of an adult: lots of teens have huge crushes on older people (a teacher, a local sleb, a family friend etc). This doesn't mean that such a crush should lead to anything actually happening; the adult should behave responsibly ie be kind but keep a distance.

OK, there is a safety issue for young women, unfortunately, but there is nothing immoral about having or wanting sex. Advice to teens should be about safety, not 'Sex is dirty, you are bad for trying to look sexy, cover yourself up NOW'.

Actually, the fertility tangent is interesting, because one of my books* has a table claiming that the percentage of menstrual cycles in which you actually ovulate varies, according to age.

Purportedly, under-eighteens ovulate in 30% of cycles; 18-25 year olds ovulate in 65% of cycles, and 26-40 year olds (very large age range there ) ovulate in 80% of cycles.

• this book

At 16 she's a women at least physicaly, and men will be attracted to that. To say they are all pervs is avery insulting generalisation. I've been together with my wife since I was 19. And yes I look at the female half of the population as I'm sure she looks at the male half. It's just the way it is, I don't however stand looking at girls half my age longer than a glance because I'm a big bloke and it could be intimidating for them. And it's rude.
But it is nice

I note LeQ the italisised more and I do

I have read this back again and stand by my defence of the male gender. Do I believe my OH? Erm yes, what reason does he have to lie? I chose to be with him and commit to him and him to me.

I have a male friend who vehemently detests and hates pornography, he is an active campaigner against it. He is 55, and I can certainly envisage him looking over at a gyrating 15 year old dressed that way and commenting to people he was with.

I am also going to be the one to don her flame proof judgy pants. Why did her parents let her dress like that and behave that way? I am 100% of the thought that a woman should be able to dress how the hell they want and not risk sexual abuse of any kind as a result But if we are classing her as a child than she should be dressed as one, if we are going to be totally black and white about this.