To think all men are basically pervs?

And then you get threads like this saying it's "natural".

It would be a much nicer society if leering at young women (and men) wasn't considered an acceptable thing to do (on either side).

Thank you mal you know what I am talking about!

Just because you have started your periods and got some breasts does not mean that you are "fully physically developed". Although historically here and around the world now, girls are married off at this age (physically not fully mature).

No-one tries to claim that males are fully physically mature as soon as they are capable of reproduction, they get time to grow up properly before they are deemed sexually adult by the world at large. Girls are expected to start fending for themselves from inappropriate approaches when they are about 12/13 which makes me sad.

My DD was totally different physically at 14 to when she was 16 and she is totally different now at nearly 22, she is fully grown woman now and looks it, when she was all dressed up at 16 she looked 16, there is even a marked difference between the photos of her when she started Uni at 18 and now.

archimedes people have always said that about girls!!!

But would you describe them as an adult, archimedes?

The reason for my posts is that people have said that females are fully physically developed at 14/15/16 and so it's "natural" for older men to leer at them.

I am simply refuting the idea that females of 14/15/16 are fully developed as they aren't. The person who said this got a right telling off, but they are right.

I think that the people who are claiming that it is "natural" for men to ogle 15yo girls - and more so than 18 yo girls or 20 yo girls - have simply bought a lie told by men who like leering at 15 yo girls.

maybe just the men you know company you keep
I dont know men like this
nor do i know teen lassies dressed like you describe

you can't make such sweeping generalisations

See thats what I mean here you can't tell they are young, they look a good 3,4 years older than they are.

Not fully, fully but on the oustides they definitely look like young women.

just ime I began developing boobs s at 8 and started my periods at 10. so I certainly looked like a woman long before 14/15.

I could never refer to a developing teen as a child,
As soon as they have hair and periods they are no longer a child imo.
I know legally but it should be changed to young person.

Have you looked at their vaginas and cervixes, archimedes?

When you say "develop" do you mean grow breasts and more adult bodies, or do you mean that by 12 they are fully physically developed through their entire body, stop growing, breasts stop growing, hip and waist shapes stop changing.

Where I am girls seem to start developing at the ages people are mentioning but they don't stop there and you can see that they are young.

I must live on a different planet ,

Where I'm from very few girls above the age of 12 look like children they all develop quite quickly.

couldihavedonesomething well if your genitals are not mature then you are not fully physically mature.

Most females continue sort of filling out a bit up until 20 ish, losing that "coltish" look that girls who have been through puberty fairly recently have. Even faces develop - a 20 year old looks more grown up facially than a 15 yo and not just because they are 5 years older I think.

Oh here it's to do with the cervix and teh tissues in the vagina not being fully mature.

If they miscarry more that might explain it? Don't know and run out of googling time now!

"In an article in the April 2009 issue of the Journal of Family Planning and Reproductive Health Care, Professor Stanley explains that in teenagers the tissues of the cervix are still developing and are especially vulnerable to attack by the human papillomavirus (HPV), which is known to be the main cause of cervical cancer. The virus, which is caught through sex, is very common, but can only cause harm if the body?s natural defences do not get rid of it (rather like a cold).

?It seems that the immaturity of the cervix in teenage girls makes it easier for HPV get into the cells and stay there,? says Professor Stanley. ?Although it can take around 10 to 20 years for cervical cancer to develop, the stage is already set. If girls start having sex around 14 or 15, which is now quite common in the UK, in the next few years will we see more young women with cervical cancer??"

I do agree with carmen that this "men are designed to ogle 15yo" thing is not correct and claiming it's down to biology is an excuse put about by men who want to ogle 15yo girls. Many men think 15yo girls look like children (which of course they are).

Well not not a sample of 1, a lot of girls I went to school with were the same, which is why I mentioned it. And plus its a fact young women develop now earlier than the previous generations.

its because they are damaged by sex their genitals are too under developed for. Also alot of children who suffer severe sexual abuse can be left infertile by it.

Why is that couldithavedonesomething?

Well that's a sample of 1.

Many girls keep growing up and out after 14.

Yeah cervical cancer is a bit risk for people who are sexually active too early.

I don't think that girls are fully physically mature at 15/16 are they - mostly they look like they've just shot up growing. I would say 18/20 was more like it. Just because someone is physically capable of reproduction doesn't mean they have stopped growing and are fully physically developed - boys start producing semen years and years before they are fully physically developed.

I was fully mature before 14 as many girls are nowadays tbh.

I also remember hearing something about how younger post-pubescent girls are more at risk of STDs as something to do with their genitals is not fully mature. Will see if I can find it.

I don't think that girls are fully physically mature at 15/16 are they - mostly they look like they've just shot up growing. I would say 18/20 was more like it. Just because someone is physically capable of reproduction doesn't mean they have stopped growing and are fully physically developed - boys start producing semen years and years before they are fully physically developed.

e-mail was too the girlfriend. she'd heartily agree to join in.

"i think women look too (maybe not as young), but i think they're a lot more discrete about it. men stare, women glance. maybe?"

I think that this is what women would like to believe but tbh you lot are just as obvious. I just don't think men really care or feel put off by it. Also it'd be quite rude to bring up.

ugh.. the remind me again was meant to be typed in an e-mail I'm writing at the mo.
useless at multitasking

yup women would never leer or ogle young guys.
remind me again, I'd imagine every women over 25 who went to see Twilight or One Direction did so because they admired the artistic merit.