To think all men are basically pervs?

Men will look at tits and arses ALLNTHE TIME
They don't even knownthey are doing it

I don't think simply looking makes them perverted does it? My dh has commented more than once on a young girl I worked with. She was stunning, you could track where she was in a room at any given time by the thud of male jaws hitting the floor. Dh isn't a "Pwhoaaar gerra load of that " type. He has however given her his highest of all accolades "very charming", which translates as "it's a good job I love you Honeydragon because that girl has reverted me to the state of a stammering 13 year old who would sell his gonads to Satan for just one date with that woman".

I think I'd be more worried it he didn't look tbh

This is news to you?

I mean, seriously?

You were a girl once, yes?

I think many men are secret pervs.

In fact i am surprised at some of these responses, particularly as they are always threads on mumsnet discussing how girls are becoming increasingly sexualised. Would you all really be ok if your dh and his friends were eyeing up a teenage girl who was provactively dressed??

I tend to think most men may claim to fancy women of their own age, normal sized, for want of a better word, not too 'tarted' up. However, I think they say this for the dw's benefit.

In reality what they really do prefer if young, slim very glammed up women and usually much younger.

But most women don't want to belive that of their dh.

My DH turns into from Blackadder when he wears cycling shorts.

My DH got trapped in a understairs cupboard by one of his parents friends when he was 17 and at a party. He wasn't wearing hot pants though. He is still terrified of her 22 years later. She was definitely perving, not just looking.

From my reading it seems both Narked

OP, I'm in awe of your powers of extrasensory perception - to know what all these men you have observed are thinking.

Or you could just be insecure about your own looks and masking that insecurity behind the snidey and snooty veneer which you have employed here. Free will and all of that. A person may dress how s/he pleases and it is not against the law to look (yes lewd staring is disrespectful but not against the law). However you are perfectly within you rights to be judgy of both the men and girls but YABU.

I'll say nothing of the older female receptionist who STARES at my DH's cycling shorts when he arrives in the morning, before getting changed into his work clothes.

Because that would mean that ALL older women are pervs.

much eyerolling

OP you are Peter Stringfellow and I claim my £5!

Mrsluvvaluvva

That is so completely inaccurate about teenage boy too.

I was on holiday with my son when he was 15. 6ft tall and a rugby player, he was minding his own business while a couple of 30 something women kept ogling him. One lovely mner got all flustered when she did a 'cor who is that?' about a picture of him. Young men can look older too.

But I assumed the women on holiday were a bit stupid and inappropriate. I didn't think basically all women were.

"A 16 year old girl in hot pants, hair extensions etc is made up to look much older. Hence the older men eyeing them up.A 16 year old girl in hot pants, hair extensions etc is made up to look much older. Hence the older men eyeing them up."

Erm

I am sure that the men doing the ogling are well aware that they are young.

I am not sure what your point is.

This has been going on since the dawn of time, hotpants and hair extensions or otherwise.

Erm

Well, some men will ogle young women, and will ogle them no matter what they are wearing quite frankly. I am surprised that this is news to you, presumably you were once a teenage girl yourself.

And

Of course not all men ogle teenagers and of course not all men are pervs

If there is an attractive young person or someone wearing clothing which is extreme in some way then people do tend to look at them, even stare. There is a difference between looking / staring and ogling / leering though.

I perv at my pool boy ....

I am a bad bad person.

Ah, missed your last post. So both then.

Sorry, I'm confused. Are you being judgemental about men or about 'tarted up' teenage girls? Or both?

Sociopaths are probably the worst case example .. Perhaps add on a few per cent for good measure

Hth

It's normal to look and like. It's respectful to do so discreetly. It's horrible to openly lech and fawn. If they're all in the latter category, I'd suggest getting a new social circle. None of the men in my circle behave like that.

Women ogling men is not a true comparison. It never has quite the same impact because women generally cannot threaten men in the same way men can threaten women - there's no risk of rape, as a rule the ability to physically overpower isn't there, and there isn't a long back culture of men being women's property to treat as they see fit.

Yes you are being totally unreasonable to claim that half of the planet are perverts

Sociopaths are generally 3% of the population. ( according to MN statistics..not verified)

Your op should quote the above number not all men.

HTH

of course they oggle women of all ages. It doesn't make them perverted or peadophiles.

There was a documentary once where they stuck cameras on peoples eyes and tracked their eye movements. subconsciously men were checking out every woman around them in the breast/arse area and the women checked out every guys package.

none of them knew they were doing it.

it is part of our nature and cannot be controlled. men and women are hardwired to find attractive and compatable mates like all animals.

No, of course not. What an unpleasant suggestion.

By the way, what are you wearing right now OP?