To not want my 4 year old to wear a school tie?

I thought that primary uniforms were suggestions & children couldn´t be forced to wear them?

What will they do if he doesn´t wear it?

Don't know what is wrong with me this morning logo not log!

Parents want school uniforms.

My DS went to a school where the Head (slightly before my time) didn't want a uniform. The parents did and the PTA produced a sweat shirt and by the time I got there everyone was wearing it. It wasn't a very nice sweat shirt because the school wouldn't cooperate and the PTA were forced to have a PTA log and not a school one! After my DC had been there a couple of years the Head gave in and we got the same colour sweat shirt but with a lovely school logo and a polo shirt and grey skirt of trousers. It came about because parents wanted it. If parents didn't want ties (badly enough) they wouldn't get ties. But I suspect that OP won't get the support. Those paying for education very often have 4 yr olds in the 'whole works' including blazers that have to dry clean and ridiculous hats that they wouldn't be seen dead in themselves but think 'sweet' on their poor DC.

Uniforms have only ever been parent led.

IMO nothing wrong with proper ties for reception kids - both went to school at 4 being able to tie their own ties - no problems at all.

If you have a problem with DCs wearing uniforms - find another school that conforms to your way of thinking.

I very much fear OP that you are onto a loser. Ask around the playground but if you don't get any support you will just have to go with the tie.

YABU after a few weeks it will not seem such an issue. Schools have lots of random rules, some of which are more annoying than others. I have kept both my ties from school, can't seem to throw them out.

And congratulations on you first AIBU

And there are people (I know some in real life!) who use the "ghastly sweatshirts, darling" line as one of their arguments against using state education!

sorry 'how sweet' I don't know where the love came from!

I don't like them on small DCs, and mine never had to wear them until secondary school, but if they already wear them I can't see you doing much about it even if we all agree with you.
I would presume that have worn them for years and therefore parents are happy with them or it would have been changed. Parental power changed my DSs school sweat shirt.
However you will need the majority of parents behind you and I suspect that they won't be. A lot of parents pay lot of money for private education to have poor little 4 yr olds in ties, blazers and hats and they all go 'ooh, ahh, love sweet' and take photos!
To my mind a 4 yr old needs something loose, comfortable, easily washable with lots of elastic and no buttons or ties.

Mine did. Wasn't a problem. I cut them in half and sewed velcro strips so they were easy off and on for PE. Only issue I ever felt was that if every child in the school had to wear a collar and tie I didn't expect teachers to come to school in T shirts and flip flops.

It's not a safety issue. It's a making small children look like mini adults and training them to wear a 'wage slave' uniform issue.

And for me, and for girls, a feminist issue. But I suspect that might be just me!

everything is a safety issue. For gods sake woman!

Ties on small children don't look 'smart' to me, they look ridiculous. Can't stand seeing small children dressed in suits either! There's plenty of time to 'learn to conform' to the drudgery of office wear when they're older, for those of you who think that's an important lesson.

I don't think ti's a safety issue - but it is stupid.. And ties for girls dates back to the time when girls had to fight for formal education and thei uniforms had ties to show that they . Same goes for girls/ women in other uniformed organizations.. Why on earth girls still shold be wearing something which no adult woman (with a few exceptions) will ever wear is completely baffling.

Oh, and the idea of 4 year olds looking smart and it being thought a good thing just creeps me out1

Ds1(7) has worn one since reception, at a state catholic school. I tied his to start with, but by the first half term they had all learnt to do their own, as others have said. They look so smart, so sweet. And your fear of accidents is ridiculous. No accidents at our school , ever. Don't you think that H&S would have stopped ties, if it really was an issue.
Are you a bit PFB about other issues aswell, or is it just ties ?

Both my DD and DS wore a tie from 4yo. Learned to tie it very quickly themselves and we always got comments on how smart they looked which made them feel proud. Small Catholic Primary with very strict uniform policy. Both are in secondary education now and the teachers there say you can always pick out the children who come from this primary as they take pride in their appearance. I personally really don't like the polo-shirts used by many schools as a lot of them end up looking scruffy. I come from a country where school uniform in unheard of and many of my friends over there say they wish their schools had school uniform as the competition over who wears the latest fashion starts very young,especially amongst girls. My then 5 yo DD had to tie my 35 year old male friends tie when we went to a wedding as he simply had never tied one before.....

some teachers can tie 15 odd ties and pairs of shoelaces very quickly if it means they can actually get a cup of coffee and a trip to the loo at break.

no faffing about getting the lengths correct though. if it is wrong, tuck the long narrow bit in the shirt.
(thank goodness about half the class had elasticated ties or velcro shoes)

I don't see the safety issue when compared to an elasticated tie?
At our school I can't imagaine a situation being able to arise where a child uses a normal tie to choke/strangle a 4y old, & we don't have climbing frames in the playground but even if we did I don't see how a knotted tie sitting under a shirt collar could cause any harm.

School is a controlled enviroment & learing to tie a tie is a life long skill imo.

I would not send my children with such a ridiculous uniform requirement at such a young age.

Polo shirts all the way- I would not put a four year old in a tie.

"Neckties are viewed by various sub- and counter-culture movements as being a symbol of submission and slavery (i.e. having a symbolic chain around one's neck) to the corrupt elite of society, as a "wage slave".[19]"

from wikipedia

DD wears a tie at her Catholic state primary- but only with the winter uniform. They have shirt and tie and pinafore and look very smart. Tie has never been a problem- when DD smaller I just taught her to loosen tie to take off for PE so she didn't have to retie, and she very quickly learnt to tie it herself anyway. I like it, and as far as I know there have been no complaints ( or tie related injuries) there!!

YANBU....so glad my DS is going to a school with no uniform