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to think that community service should not be about humiliation?

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lecce · 01/08/2010 18:27

We went for a walk in a local park today and I was shocked to see lots of people gardening in bright orange jackets that said, in huge letters, COMMUNITY PAYBACK.

I thought it unecessary and inappropriate. Why should the public see that? Why should such people have to endure people staring and, I should imagine, comments being made by some people?

If people feel humiliated then surely that is far more likely to lead to their feeling angry and defensive rather than remorseful. If punishment is supposed to be partly about rehabilitation then I do not see that humiliation has a part to play at all.

Moreover, it is simply no one's business who is a convict and what their punishment is. It made me feel really uncomfortable, reminding me of The Scarlet Letter, Dunce hats and other old-fashioned and, I had thought, obsolete practices.

Oh, and I dont like the word 'payback' either, what was wrong with 'service'?

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2shoes · 01/08/2010 18:51

yabu
the whole point of it is it is a punishment

Mowgli1970 · 01/08/2010 18:43

*the people, not they people.

Mowgli1970 · 01/08/2010 18:42

YABU. I'm sure they people they've committed crimes against felt humiliated and vulnerable too. Once you've chosen to take away another human's rights, I believe you forefeit your own right to complain about wearing a uniform that labels you as a criminal.

Gigantaur · 01/08/2010 18:40

the way British law works is that not only must Justice BE done it must be SEEN to be done.

so if people are made aware of the fact that there are people out there doing reparation work or community service then they can see justice in action. they know that the system is working to make sure these people pay for their crimes.

Those who volunteer to assist in these schemes or who help out in other projects will not be wearing hi-vis jackets so will not get mistaken.

breatheslowly · 01/08/2010 18:36

Well how will we distinguish between those doing it for a punishment and those doing it as volunteers to be part of Cameron's Big Society?

I don't particularly agree with the orange jackets but I don't think this activity should be presented as a punishment if we want people to volunteer and enjoy gardening.

BrightLightBrightLight · 01/08/2010 18:33

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Vaderella · 01/08/2010 18:32

I'm sure strip searches and cavity checks in prison are 'humiliating' too, so should they not be done?

lifeinagoldfishbowl · 01/08/2010 18:31

YABU - They committed a criminal act so should payback the community by doing such community service.

There'd be no real punishment if the judge said "well I don't think what you did was that bad but maybe if you'd like to go and plant some flowers in the park each weekend, wearing whatever you like for as long as you like that would be great"

ChippingIn · 01/08/2010 18:31

Well, if you don't like the punishment, don't do the crime. If having to hang around a local park in a bright orange outfit stops even one yob doing something prattish, I'm all for it.

Vaderella · 01/08/2010 18:30

Well not humiliation, but punishment.

And surely the 'warden' or who ever is there must be able to see at a glance which people are under his care and which are the public?

Its just a way to punish, petty criminals WOULD find it humiliating to wear it - so whats wrong with detering them from a crime by it?

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