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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"It's been a #NoThankYou kind of week for women"

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CrossPurposes · 07/08/2021 13:12

More excellent commentary from Susan Dalgety on the Olympics, age appropriate porn (!), and gendercide.

www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/its-been-a-nothankyou-kind-of-week-for-women-susan-dalgety-3336729

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EmbarrassingAdmissions · 07/08/2021 13:29

[quote CrossPurposes]More excellent commentary from Susan Dalgety on the Olympics, age appropriate porn (!), and gendercide.

www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/its-been-a-nothankyou-kind-of-week-for-women-susan-dalgety-3336729[/quote]
archive version: archive.is/13fGu

NiceGerbil · 07/08/2021 13:33

V good

JingleCatJingle · 07/08/2021 13:34

God that’s depressing

GertrudeKerfuffle · 07/08/2021 13:36

That's a great article, thanks for posting.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 07/08/2021 13:39

@JingleCatJingle

God that’s depressing
Yes. It's accurate but it is distressing how we have got here so quickly.

Women's warnings on each of these topics have been disregarded at every possible stage along the progression towards this set of inevitable outcomes.

Chickenyhead · 07/08/2021 13:44

Women are constantly disregarded. It's been a shit week for it. On here and out there.

#NoThanks

IvyTwines2 · 07/08/2021 13:46

Yes, children do not need 'age appropriate porn'. What they probably do need is the misogyny equivalent of what black American parents call 'the talk', or the 'Charlie Says' adverts of the 70s about the internet, rather than (as was) the local park.

FluffyBattleKitten · 07/08/2021 13:51

Surely instead of directing children to 'entry level porn' we need to be controlling the extreme stuff better.
The UK government banned facesitting a few years ago. I don't understand how they overlooked rape, slapping and choking or have I misunderstood the situation?

Tibtom · 07/08/2021 14:04

The only age approriate porn for children is no porn. It is illegal for good reason.

FluffyBattleKitten · 07/08/2021 14:10

Yes I agree no porn is the aim. But if the argument is that children end up seeing it anymore why aren't better efforts being made to ban hardcore porn outright.
No one needs hardcore porn. The appetite for it has mostly come about due to desensitizing people to normal sex. Therefore scale porn right back down and the need for anything hardcore disappears.

I find it really odd that in the past, individuals with a liking for extreme things were generally seen as weird and dangerous. When Fred West's particular interests in hardcore porn came to light absolutely no one was surprised that he was a wrong in. Nowadays I fear people would be tweeting something along the lines of 'Yes his crimes were abhorrent but his kink was not'. Then they'd probably find some way to blame women not wanting to sleep with him for the murders he committed.

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 07/08/2021 15:00

I just came to check this had been posted, great article.
"Little wonder that women the world over are angry. Our very right to exist is under attack. Rich societies, including Scotland it seems, have decided that the simplest way to assuage the feelings of men who want to be women, is to pretend that binary sex is meaningless. That women are simply “non-trans women” or “cis”. We have become a subclass."

I assume the answer is that men want hard core porn/filmed rape Fluffy and what men want doesn't get banned regardless of how damaging it is Angry

FluffyBattleKitten · 07/08/2021 15:04

And let's be real, any attempt to have porn aimed at minors would just be gateway porn. There's a reason children over six don't want to use YouTube kids. Kids want to be adult and will seek out more mature things.
It's our job to scale porn and kink right back so it's not so bloody mainstream, not shake our heads and mutter, 'if you can't beat em join em'.

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 07/08/2021 15:11

Agreed. Every bit of research shows that humans will seek out more & more extreme porn like addicts chasing the next high.

I'm furious that I felt the need to explain porn to my 10 yr old because another kid might show him it on their phone (my kids don't have smart phones).

nauticant · 07/08/2021 15:16

Susan Dalgety mentioned the porn for kids discussion on Woman's Hour. What she didn't mention was that one of the people they got into the studio to discuss the issue was the agent of Flora Gill's father. WH did mention the connection but even so it was a surprisingly partisan choice. Suffice to say, the agent kept up the good work in supporting the Gill family.

littlbrowndog · 07/08/2021 15:19

Susan dalgety. What a awesome piece that is

Woman’s hour. Not a fucking clue. Middle class dick panders

Let’s groom our kids expose them directly to porn. Seems a great idea

FluffyBattleKitten · 07/08/2021 15:20

I know porn brings a lot of capitalist revenue. Sex sells etc.
However, I have to wonder how much would be saved globally if it was scaled right back.
Less porn inspired sex injuries to be treated by health professionals.
Less 'sex game gone wrong' murders to investigate.
Less time needed to safeguard children from seeing extreme things.
Less porn inspired sexual crimes.
Less people with body issues due to perfect porn bodies(of course, these people pump money into the cosmetic surgery industry though)
It seems to me that there's an obvious answer, that is better for society as a whole. But we can't risk upsetting the men that use it (and some men do find it as abhorrent as I do!)

CorianderBee · 07/08/2021 16:08

I'm surprised people still abort female get used. The parents will be raging when their son can't get a wife because they outnumber women. Then I suppose the rapes will increase. We need more women not less

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 07/08/2021 16:13

We need more women not less

I suppose it makes sense to the people living within particular countries or cultures and they're reacting in the way that seems rational to them in the present.

alkanet · 07/08/2021 16:23

That entry level porn rubbish gets me angry every time I hear about it. What kind of nonce - sense is going on in someone's brain for that to come out of their mouth?

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 07/08/2021 16:23

Woman’s hour. Not a fucking clue. Middle class dick panders
Grin lbdStar

Artichokeleaves · 07/08/2021 16:37

Nailed it.

(Article and the definition of WH.)

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 07/08/2021 17:22

I've just learned about the #DeclineNow movement (different context).

Dashers aren't stupid. They organized the #declinenow movement, in which all the drivers in a region would decline any unprofitable delivery, knowing that the app would steadily increase the delivery fee they'd earn when this happened.

twitter.com/doctorow/status/1424034689799516161

I like these simple hashtags and the scripts that they simplify.

I like the choice of #NoThankYou for some and #DeclineNow for other context.

Tibtom · 07/08/2021 18:52

@CorianderBee

I'm surprised people still abort female get used. The parents will be raging when their son can't get a wife because they outnumber women. Then I suppose the rapes will increase. We need more women not less
But if only boys have value then you may want there to be girls but you wouldn't keep a female pregnancy if you struggle to eat and they will be a cost to bring up and to marry off and will not provide support or income after that as they go to live with their inlaws. Unfortunately it seems as they sex ration shifts towards more men the value of girls goes down, not up.
JellySlice · 08/08/2021 08:24

China had to reverse its one child policy because of selective abortion and selective abandonment of female babies. The resulting population imbalance between the sexes had a much greater effect than the intended one of simply reducing the overall population.

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