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OnlyFans promotors now infiltrating higher education

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coronaway · 03/03/2021 13:08

The whole online sex work is cool fad has been concerning me for some time now but it seems to have stepped up a gear of late.

Recently Ohio state university offered advice to people interested in starting their own onlyfans page and how to get started in the industry.

Is this really something we want to be promoting to the next generation? I mean sure you could study engineering or medicine but have you thought about doing porn? I mean really?!

No doubt the only people who attended were women... Somehow it's beneath men to consider this line of work.

It just feels with every passing year we undo the good previous generations have fought for.

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EmbarrassingAdmissions · 03/03/2021 15:43

It's odd but I have seen OnlyFans recommended to academics as an alternate form of patronage to something like Patreon.

I don't know if this is an attempt to weaken the association of OnlyFans and findom or sex work.

peak2021 · 03/03/2021 16:18

No of course not and I hope it is the last place of higher education to do so.

Abitofalark · 03/03/2021 16:51

That's a very broad claim to make for what turns out to be a very narrow reference to one instance (of unclear intent) in one institution in one country, which isn't this one or its higher education.

OhHolyJesus · 03/03/2021 18:33

There was a university that had developed a prostitution 'Sex worker' policy, it was in women's hour.

It's everywhere. I wouldn't really recommend university to a young person or their parents these days. It's too far gone.

SunsetBeetch · 03/03/2021 18:37

I do see a bit of a positive with OnlyFans, in that the woman herself is in control, and not at the mercy of unscrupulous directors or pimps.

SunsetBeetch · 03/03/2021 18:39

@OhHolyJesus

There was a university that had developed a prostitution 'Sex worker' policy, it was in women's hour.

It's everywhere. I wouldn't really recommend university to a young person or their parents these days. It's too far gone.

There was also this:

www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/sex-work-students-brighton-university-sussex-freshers-fair-swop-a8563186.html%3famp

coronaway · 03/03/2021 18:59

@SunsetBeetch do we know if the woman is in control though? Also even if they are is OnlyFans not just a pimp on a much larger scale?

I'm fed up on articles from people promoting the platform (no doubt paid by OnlyFans themselves) saying how much they earn etc etc. From what I can see it's basically an MLM scheme and that's the best case scenario.

It's become the culture and I hate how it is pushed on the younger more impressionable women.

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SunsetBeetch · 03/03/2021 22:14

Well they create and sell their own content, is what I meant. Doubtless OnlyFans take a cut.

Agree with your MLM comparison. I don't imagine it's that easy to make 100s of 1000s of £s.

TheRabbitOfCaerbannog · 04/03/2021 13:15

@OhHolyJesus

There was a university that had developed a prostitution 'Sex worker' policy, it was in women's hour.

It's everywhere. I wouldn't really recommend university to a young person or their parents these days. It's too far gone.

That was Leicester University. Because most parents waving their daughters off to higher education hope they'll get a job that makes the most of their abilities...like prostitution Hmm

"University of Leicester launches online toolkit for staff to stop them making 'moral judgements' on student sex workers"

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9042973/University-Leicester-launches-student-sex-worker-toolkit.html

It's the logical conclusion of rebranding it sex work though isn't it. Good old fashioned job. I'm sure there are just as many male students signing up as female.

ixqik · 05/03/2021 00:57

All in a context where there is little questioning of the cost of higher education or student housing. The universities are the pimps.

mxmxm · 05/03/2021 01:13

I completely agree. When the whole ‘sex work is work’ Hmm ‘yass queen entreprenwhore’ Hmm movement eventually dies down in the passing of time, I worry about how many people will look back with embarrassment at their OF phase.

As a mother of three DDs, the prevalence of onlyfans culture concerns me so much. It’s not just the fact that it’s everywhere online, but that it’s now being promoted as a ‘valid’ career path (ie in the example you’ve given) and portrayed as something ‘empowering’.

Even if you’re making your own content, having creative control and taking home the majority of your earnings, you are still complicit in a market that commodities the female body and sexuality.

mxmxm · 05/03/2021 01:15

[quote coronaway]@SunsetBeetch do we know if the woman is in control though? Also even if they are is OnlyFans not just a pimp on a much larger scale?

I'm fed up on articles from people promoting the platform (no doubt paid by OnlyFans themselves) saying how much they earn etc etc. From what I can see it's basically an MLM scheme and that's the best case scenario.

It's become the culture and I hate how it is pushed on the younger more impressionable women.[/quote]
Didn’t realise how long my comment was, oops - but yes yes yes to all this. You put it better than I could’ve done. Last line in particular.

DogsAreShit · 05/03/2021 01:24

It's a measure of how disempowered women are that they believe men who tell them that prostitution is empowering.

I mean, if women had any power they would know what actual power felt like.

BrandNewBicycle · 05/03/2021 02:03

I don’t think this is that bad? Is this not empowering women rather than ‘whoring’? Also it doesn’t sound like it’s a degree in only fans, just a one off lecture?
To my understanding only fans is a cam site? I wasn’t aware there is prostitution on it? Presumably, people pay to watch others online?
Firstly, isn’t this exactly about power? - If you are safely in your home does it not make it easier to choose where your limits are without having physical pressure from a pimp?
Secondly, if this kind of technology exists and is accessible for people, isn’t it sensible that universities are teaching young people about how to safely exploit it?
I don’t know anyone who is on only fans or similar, but I can see how if a friend said ‘I want to do only fans for a side hustle’, it’s completely different from ‘I want to be a prostitute 1 night a week’? I would also prefer, they knew how to safely do this and be successful in it.

Tibtom · 05/03/2021 07:38

If you are safely in your home does it not make it easier to choose where your limits are without having physical pressure from a pimp?

I don't get this comment at all. Why does the fact it is done on camera prevent there from being a pimp pressurising them? Abusing or threatening them if the don't do enough/earn enough? A trafficker or abusive boyfriend or university demanding extortionate rents and threatening to withhold their degree 'but here's a way you can earn it'?

Nellodee · 05/03/2021 07:40

What an interesting and recent posting history you have, BrandNewBicycle. I’d say welcome to Mumsnet, but given two of your posts on entirely separate threads are promoting women filming themselves in a sexual context and the third is about use of sex toys, you don’t exactly sound like you’re here to offer support to mums.

minniemoocher · 05/03/2021 07:59

@TheRabbitOfCaerbannog

in Leicester, it's to guide personal tutors if a student comes to them and says they are involved, not to encourage it.

There's lots of variations too, the incident I'm aware of were "sugar daddy" situations

risefromyourgrave · 05/03/2021 08:09

OnlyFans and other ‘sex work’ is teaching men that if they have money then they can get what they want from a woman.
Entitled men are entitled, who’d have thought it?

coronaway · 05/03/2021 08:43

Apparently 1 in 40 women aged between 18-25 in the states are now on OF and this number is only growing. It is prevalent amongst UK universities too.

Whether we agree with it or not, having been on sites like OF will potentially have a negative impact on their career later in life. When we're young it's not always easy to see the longer term consequences of our actions. If you know a friend on it then it starts to become normalised, particularly if it is then promoted by the universities themselves.

I imagine due to market saturation women have to start doing more and more extreme videos to gain traction on the platform. No doubt some start turning to full blown prostitution on the side.

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DogsAreShit · 05/03/2021 09:22

To my understanding only fans is a cam site? I wasn’t aware there is prostitution on it?

Ok then, stripping.

And ofc cam sites want to put out this idea that everyone on there is living their best lives etc but there is a lot of trafficking and money laundering at the back of it. Women and children being forced to strip and perform sex acts on camera to fund Russian mafia purchases of luxury London residential property is not empowering.

TheRabbitOfCaerbannog · 05/03/2021 09:33

"#Nudes4Sale Uncovers The Shocking Truth About Selling Nudes Online" on the dark side of OF.

"However, while Lauren and Beth's incomes look impressive, presenter Ellie Flynn reports that for every 'success' story on the app, there are many more which are the opposite. Bespoke and exclusive research commissioned by the BBC for the documentary found that on a single day, a third of Twitter profiles globally advertising ‘nudes4sale’ (or similar) appeared to belong to an underage individual and many of those used OnlyFans to share their content."

www.refinery29.com/en-gb/bbc-onlyfans-nudes4sale-young-women

TheRabbitOfCaerbannog · 05/03/2021 09:37

[quote minniemoocher]@TheRabbitOfCaerbannog

in Leicester, it's to guide personal tutors if a student comes to them and says they are involved, not to encourage it.

There's lots of variations too, the incident I'm aware of were "sugar daddy" situations [/quote]
It is tacit approval and does nothing to warn women of the dangers of prostitution, which are numerous.

OvaHere · 05/03/2021 09:46

This is a sponsored post doing the rounds on Facebook. It reminds me of all the MLM shite that is also targeted at women as being 'empowering'.

OnlyFans promotors now infiltrating higher education
coronaway · 05/03/2021 10:50

'virtual hoes handbook' I mean really?

It boggles my mind that there are still people arguing any of this is empowering.

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Daca · 05/03/2021 13:37

Not sure about trustworthiness of his source but here is an investigation of OF’s business practices:
forensicnews.net/onlyfans-faces-allegations-of-fraud-theft/?amp=1

It seems to be undisputed that OF was created by a male banker from a rich family and that it allows screen shotting. Given that revenge porn and spycam porn is a thing, and that it is mostly women who are targeted, I would not advise young women to sell sexually explicit or nude pictures on OF. It’s a career with a short shelf life and many hidden costs.