Daily Mail article M&S, Liz Truss, Pushback!

[BovaryX]

There is a prominent article in the Daily Mail which states M&S' policy of allowing changing room access to natal males is being criticised. It quotes Liz Truss, cites Baroness Nicholson and gives a concise overview of the issues. This is hopefully indicative of a paradigm shift where the rights of women and girls to sex segregated spaces are going to be upheld. Pushback!
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8351127/Marks-Spencers-transgender-policy-puts-women-girls-risk-voyeurs-say-campaigners.html

[MsTSwift]

CommentS are universally supportive of gender critical position

[BovaryX]

This is part of the Liz Truss quote. There is more in the article. She is explicit and unambiguous about the importance of maintaining sex segregated spaces. This pushback against the aggressive promotion of a niche lobby is great to see. And long overdue.

in a letter published by her office, she said: ‘I have made my commitment to protecting single-sex spaces for women and girls clear

[truthisarevolutionaryact]

Long overdue but pleasing progress nevertheless.
I see that the Health Minister is also quoted as reviewing mixed sex hospital wards :
The guidance is clear that providers of National Health Service-funded care are expected to have a zero-tolerance approach to mixed-sex accommodation, except where it is in the overall best interest of all patients affected.
I hope that this refers to places like Intensive Care wards that are always mixed sex as opposed to enabling self identity?

[Winesalot]

This is great news and it will also solidify the Baroness’ interpretation of Liz Truss’ letter so there is complete clarity if there was any ambiguity left after the activists started up about it. I felt like the other shoe was about to drop with a ‘oh... my letter has been misunderstood’.

Thank you Baroness Nicholson and Liz Truss. I cannot say it on Twitter so I will say it here.

[Needmoresleep]

Really useful to have it all set out clearly in the DM. Their readers must form a core segment of the M&S market.

If M&S care one jot about their market share they must recognise that this is not good for their image. I realise I have not set foot in M&S clothes stores since reading those smutty lingerie reviews. Not necessarily a deliberate policy, simply M&S no longer feels as if it is a place that wants people like me, or where I want to be.

[StandWithYou]

At the end of the article M&S are still trotting out the same ‘inclusive’ line that we got.

[Lamahaha]

‘We recognise customers will self-identify and respect their right to choose the fitting rooms they feel comfortable in.’

Did he say this before or after receiving the letter from Truss?

[SarahTancredi]

Unbelievable that even with the evidence presented ie the law they still place mens rights as above the law and of utmost importance.

[BacklashStarts]

“We recognise customers will self-identify and respect their right to choose the fitting rooms they feel comfortable in.”

Well we recognise that enabling perverts will deter women from using your store, so don’t go whinging to us when your market share drops even further.

[DodoPatrol]

Does he realise that he is saying ‘We respect their right to make others uncomfortable’?

[Winesalot]

“We recognise customers will self-identify and respect their right to choose the fitting rooms they feel comfortable in.”

We recognize that males love our knickers and that wearing a dress to get into the female changing rooms isn’t a problem for them. We DO NOT recognize how women who are being then used for wankfodder by being in the next cubicle is problematic for women.

Just shut up you women and service the brave and stunning, vulnerable men of society. Do your bit!!

[BovaryX]

so don’t go whinging to us when your market share drops even further

It really is curious that alienating their core customer base doesn't appear to be ringing any alarm bells. Their business model is seriously flawed. And they seem unable to grasp why.

[Gurning]

There must be someone making these crazy decisions who is deeply involved in the Trans Rights Movement at the top of M&S management.
It would be so, so easy for them to simply say 'we follow current laws' and not allow men into the women's areas, but no, they just double down.

[Michelleoftheresistance]

I still remain to be convinced that Truss isn't trying to please both sides by saying single sex spaces for women and girls will be protected, while actually meaning 'but anyone of any sex can be a woman or girl'.

[Winesalot]

But sadly it is most retailers now. JL included.

Primary don’t even have doors!!! Just curtains still and have seats in front of curtains where men can sit and peak through curtain gaps!!!!

[Winesalot]

I suspect this too michelle.

[Goopamz]

My take is M&S probably does realise the damage this is doing and clearly the chairman doesn't agree with mixed sex as per his letter. But at the moment they are trapped. They can't backdown by themselves because they are so committed to Stonewall. They are probably desperate for the government to come out and make the decision for them.

Then they can say sorry stonewall we have no choice. And all the other retailers will breathe a sigh of relief and follow suit.

Its scandalous a lobby group has grabbed this much power.

[Michelleoftheresistance]

Does he realise that he is saying ‘We respect their right to make others uncomfortable’?

This.

This policy - the hospital wards, all of it - is insisting that male people must always be made comfortable and their feelings nurtured by permitting them to make female people uncomfortable and to ignore their feelings. It works for people born male. It does not work for people born female - but to even discuss the needs of people born female is 'transphobic' if it conflicts with anything a male person wants.

Straight forward male supremacism.

[BovaryX]

To be honest, they have been on a downward trajectory for decades. Zara was the game changer on the high street and M&S with its incoherent jumbled display? Who is the target for it? It has a dinosaur vibe and this nonsense is the last straw because underwear helped attract customers who would not buy their clothes. But not with this shenanigans. It's bonkers.

[MindTheMinotaur]

Ach, those of us that remember 'the dress' suspect M&S aren't interested in having customers and exist merely to troll us.

[BovaryX]

Its scandalous a lobby group has grabbed this much power

Absolutely agree. I still can't understand how this has happened. But I think they have been very strategic, very tactical and Twitter et al amplifies corporate shaming. It is so bizarre that so many state agencies seem to function as advocates for a lobby group. How did the CPS become so embroiled?

[Lordfrontpaw]

I’m quite amazed that this seems to be news to a lot of those posting comments there!

[Michelleoftheresistance]

How did the CPS become so embroiled?

Remember all those police dramas like Frost and Dalzeal and Pascoe, where coppers were trying to work under some extreme end liberal nutjob manager straight out of university with no grip on reality?

It wasn't fiction.

Many high end charity jobs draw from a very incestuous pool of extreme end liberal types who just periodically all change seats, there's very little new blood in and no introduction of new and different thought, it just concentrates the lunacy more strongly.

Many high end county council and government posts from team managers upwards are run by the same type with the same beliefs who only recruit those who think as they do. They all occasionally swap jobs with the high end charity people.

It's how there is now such an utter disconnect between policy and real life reality.

[Lordfrontpaw]

The can back away from stonewall. If they have been advised on ‘the law’ by them the can break their contract (but for gods sake don’t they have their own lawyers? It then again a law firm wrote the playbook for these activities).

[EmpressLangClegInChair]

Here we see M&S celebrating their move up on the Stonewall Equality Index careers.marksandspencer.com/inside-mands/marks-%26-spencer-proudly-moves-up-on-the-stonewall-workplace-equality-index-2020