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Dr Em article ''Sexist History at the Heart of the ‘Science’ on Transsexualism, Part II: Robert Stoller, True Trans' "... an ideology which is antithetical to feminism"

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R0wantrees · 05/05/2020 15:10

UncommonGround Media
by Dr Em

'Sexist History at the Heart of the ‘Science’ on Transsexualism, Part II: Robert Stoller, True Trans'
May 3, 2020
(extract)
"Many transsexuals go to great lengths to fit themselves to the prescribed body measurements and gestalt of a man-made woman’. In the same year the award winning psychologist and psychiatrist, Thomas Szasz, delineated the objectification of women when he asked
‘why should anyone (especially feminist women) object to men wanting to become women? Isn’t imitation the highest form of flattery? Precisely herein lies the “liberal” sexologists’ betrayal of human dignity and integrity: They support the (male) transsexual’s claim that he wants to be a woman — when, in fact, what he wants is to be a caricature of the male definition of “femininity.”

As this sexual paraphilia doesn’t remain in private but is being indulged in public aren’t all autogynephilic males when getting others to refer to them as women or participating in women’s events dressed as women, making people participate in their sexual fetish? What other male sexual turn on is demanded to be indulged by everyone? All of the time. When children are coerced to use preferred pronouns – pretend that a man is a woman – is this not coercing children to participate in a male’s sexual fetish? Would we ask children to paddle a submissive, because of his feelings? (continues)

Maybe there will be a switch to try and argue that the true trans are those who have undergone surgery, well women are not dickless men and it is misogynistic to define us as such. The notion that plastic surgery and or removal of a penis could make a woman was strongly criticised as it emerged as a field. In 1974 the psychiatrist and psychoanalyst Lawrence Kubie claimed that ‘what is miscalled “transsexualism” has led to the most tragic betrayal of human expectation in which medicine and modern endocrinology and surgery have ever engaged. In the name of gender transmutation they have led people to believe that alchemy was possible...." (continues)

concludes:
"I don’t believe that humans can change sex, or that children are born wrong, or that there are male and female brains, or that sex-role stereotypes are natural and innate, or that clothes are magical, or that males can be lesbians. I cannot pretend that sometimes I don’t believe these things. My beliefs and adherence to science and evidence do not alter at a whim, or whether I like a person. I treat all people the same when it comes to reality, law and philosophy built on that foundation. I don’t believe that women or women’s rights are a mental health retreat for unhappy men. I don’t believe that women and girls are fetish objects who exist to please men and that we should restructure our very definition of ourselves to satisfy a man’s sexual fantasy – autogynephilia. I think it is entitled sexism for a man to claim he ‘feels like a woman’ or ‘lives like a woman’ or ‘has sex like a woman’. Women live a variety of lives, have a variety of thoughts and emotions, a variety of hopes and dreams – the only thing that links us is our biology and the oppression we face based on our sex. I know women are fully human and deserve their human rights being upheld. I know women are discriminated against based on their sex and thus we need sex-based protections. Simply put, I am a feminist.

International law recognises that gender stereotypes are a form discrimination against women, thus the notion that gender stereotypes are natural and innate as purported by transsexualism/transgenderism clearly conflicts with the rights and interests of women. The United Nations Convention on the Elimination of all forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW) was written in 1979 and Article 5 declares that all States should take
‘appropriate measures [to]modify the social and cultural patterns of conduct of men and women, with a view to achieving the elimination of prejudice and all other practices which are based on the idea of the inferiority or the superiority of either of the sexes or on stereotyped roles for men and women’ (continues)

The notion that those women who don’t believe, or will not pretend to believe to pacify men, in true trans are bigoted or mean or nasty is a repeat of the arguments that those women who don’t believe in transgenderism/transsexualism are bigoted and mean. We have all experienced the accusation of transphobe and the social exclusion when we stated our belief in biology, this is the same. It is undoubtedly appealing to refute the allegation of transphobia by saying ‘I have trans friends’ or ‘look, a trans person agrees with me’ but this both excludes women who need us (transwidows, daughters of trans identified fathers), muddies the waters and uses other people, those claiming to be trans, for one’s own ends. No person should be used as a means to an end. The belief that women have full humanity does not have to be defended by any kind of shallow show, our ideas and evidence stand on their own. With no reasonable scientific basis transsexualism/transgenderism remains at the status of an ideology, and an ideology which is antithetical to feminism."

//uncommongroundmedia.com/robert-stoller-true-trans/

see also Part 1:
//www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3896788-Important-series-of-articles-by-Dr-Em-Sexist-History-at-the-Heart-of-the-Science-on-Transsexualism-Part-I-Benjamin-Ihlenfeld-Money-Ehrhardt

Thank you Flowers

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Michelleoftheresistance · 05/05/2020 15:33

Can't disagree with a word of that. Well said.

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TyroSaysMeow · 05/05/2020 16:49

I too find myself agreeing with every word.

It is undoubtedly appealing to refute the allegation of transphobia by saying ‘I have trans friends’ or ‘look, a trans person agrees with me’

It's hard to do because the language is so twisted. I think it would be possible to refute the allegation by saying 'look, here are loads of trans women who agree with me' if the buggers hadn't claimed the word woman.

Because if they hadn't claimed it, we'd all understand that a trans woman is a genetically female person - a woman, in other words - who is trans, and agrees with us.

There are plenty of women who fit the definition of trans, but our experiences aren't considered to carry much weight in the discussion of the conflict between women's rights and transgenderism, because we're not permitted to describe the intersection we occupy accurately.

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Bluesponge · 06/05/2020 19:50

Well done couldn’t of said it better myself Smile

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Bluesponge · 06/05/2020 19:54

Dr em has just summarised my confusion and anger into an incredibly articulate, thought through article that makes a lot of sense, thank you for sharing it

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TinselAngel · 06/05/2020 22:23

Absolutely brilliant. I couldn't agree more.

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RabidChinchilla · 07/05/2020 00:33

Very on point.

I'm speculating that the trans locomotive will have been somewhat immobilised by recent world events.

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R0wantrees · 08/05/2020 14:54

Uncommonground Media by Jennifer Bilek

'Techno-Capitalism, Transgenderism and the Colonization of Female Biology'
May 8, 2020
"Under Techno-Capitalism, hatred of women is promoted in order to commodify female bodies and profit from women’s pain.
(extract)
"In the 60’s and 70’s during the resurgence of a strong women’s liberation movement, women had a fighting chance to beat back against the systematized hatred of women. We rallied for physical autonomy, against rape, against the pornography industry. We shamed male writers casting us as sex objects in their novels and we had widespread media coverage of our views. We fought for equal pay for equal work. We dissected rigid sex stereotypes which subsequently successfully assimilated women and girls into the social fabric, into universities and the sciences, into professional sports and politics. But our oppression has been repackaged by a capitalist system, driven by almost unfathomable technological developments and is now being sold back to women as empowerment, liberation, and consumerist choice. (continues)

concludes:
"Journalist, @ DrEm (on Twitter), has coined a term for the concept of “gender dysphoria” that young women are suddenly experiencing in vast numbers across the western world. She thinks a more apt term, and I agree with her, is “Oppression Discomfort Disorder.” It clarifies what is really happening to young women. It takes the onus off individual women and puts it squarely back where it belongs, on society, specifically techno-capitalism. It externalizes the hatred women continually internalize. @DrEm recently published a two-part article in Uncommon Ground Media about the sexist roots of transgenderism and how it has evolved. I have written over the years how this mythology has been organized by the MIC to drive surgeries, sales of pharmaceuticals, body dissociation as progressive and how this is opening markets.

What we are witnessing, still, is the violation of female boundaries driven by techno-capitalism for the profit of men, sexually, mentally, materially and financially. This violation is being repackaged as progressive and sped up by techno-capitalism."

uncommongroundmedia.com/techno-capitalism/

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R0wantrees · 04/05/2021 12:02

These articles by feminist academic DrEM are important reading.
So too,

'Forced Teaming, Feminism, LGB and ‘Trans Rights’
May 25, 2020
(extract)
"Forced teaming is behind the dictate of inclusiveness. It is by this way that manipulative males gain access and can control and change the goals of movements. It is how individual males have entered formerly women’s groups and formerly LGB pressure groups and can both watch what is being said and direct the narrative." (continues)

Alongside this, boundary violation is key. The first boundary being the definition of woman, then female, the next boundary is one’s sense of self, then physical spaces and resources are violated. We see boundary violation on the micro level – what trans widows experience, the young men taking nude selfies in women’s shelters – and on the macro level – the males in women’s parties, claiming to be female politicians, males claiming to be included in the definition of the female sex.

De Becker asserted that if someone ignores the word ‘no’ it is the most universally significant signal that you should not trust this person. Males have asked again and again to be included in the definition of female, again and again they will not hear women’s ‘no’, they have used our single sex spaces after repeated ‘no’ from different women. Males are telling the LGB community that same-sex attraction is bigoted, they are refusing to hear the ‘no’ in response. To ignore one ‘no’ is a red flag, to ignore many is a siren and the idea that it takes more than one ‘no’ to understand is manipulation." (continues)

concludes:
"We need to listen for, respect, and respond to that alarm’. I am hearing alarm bells with males in feminism and feminist analysis, with those inside the LGB who deny the reality of same-sex attraction. Newport finishes with De Becker’s framework of the seven ways that predators manipulate people. The tactics are:

Forced teaming: intentional and directed manipulation to establish premature trust, example: “we’re in this together”.
Charm and niceness: manipulative, deceptive, for self-gain.
Too many details: a tactic used when people are lying.
Typecasting: a slight insult designed to manipulate a woman to feel compelled to prove its inaccuracy.
Loan sharking: unsolicited giving designed to create a feeling of indebtedness.
The unsolicited promise: false promises.
Discounting the word “no”: when someone refuses to accept “no” for an answer.
We should all keep these tactics in mind and listen to our intuition."

uncommongroundmedia.com/forced-teaming-feminism-lgb-and-trans-rights/

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highame · 04/05/2021 13:44

There's an awful lot of information that should have everyone looking seriously and in depth at trans rights activism and these articles are very helpful. However, they are also very disturbing.

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