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Our concerns about gender issues have been deflected, ignored, mocked and erased. Anyone else feeling really angry

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StealthPolarBear Wed 05-Feb-20 19:44:39

Angry and helpless? What do we do?
Ironically in the Labour hopeful webchats only the male contender gave an even vaguely decent answer. But it still fell far short of coming close to addressing the issues.
Consultations are ignored. Safeguarding is optional.

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ScrimshawTheSecond Wed 05-Feb-20 19:46:29

Feeling pretty bloody hopeless, yep.

HYPATIA123 Wed 05-Feb-20 19:47:16

I agree.
My comments were all removed, as far as I could see.
What is the point of saying that politicians are coming to web-chat, so please ask questions ..... but not these questions?? 🤷🏻‍♀️
It's ridiculous.
And whoever the politician is, they get a totally skewed impression of what we are wanting to ask, if the comments are deleted.

theflushedzebra Wed 05-Feb-20 19:48:21

Yes. Really angry.

StealthPolarBear Wed 05-Feb-20 19:50:18

Someone is determined to make it clear that gender issues and the impact on women's rights are a minor issue, with just some weirdos caring.

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Thelnebriati Wed 05-Feb-20 19:51:00

Yep. I'm even more angry at the display of feminist credentials at the same time.

Cuntysnark Wed 05-Feb-20 19:51:38

I’m so angry & frustrated with it. Wilful blindness. The evidence is huge and it feels like more evidence is produced almost daily. I have no idea other than keep talking. To everyone. All the time. That’s my strategy. I think I may have ruined a mates upcoming weekend to centre parcs last night but for some people it seems they listen & nod but when it really impacts on them, they get it. Others grasp it straight away. Email everyone & anyone. Questions & praise. Write letters, send cards. Joanna Cherry is getting another one from me for her fabulous speech at WPUK on Saturday. Keep chipping away. They can’t silence or ignore us for ever.

Charliethefeminist Wed 05-Feb-20 19:54:09

They've been testing the waters and realised they can do and say what they like, can be as absurd and abusive as they like to women and about women.

Either they hate women or they're more afraid of the bullies than they care about women. I think lots of them are afraid of transadvocates. I would call that fear transphobia. That's what it really looks like.

FannyCann Wed 05-Feb-20 19:55:28

When I see pictures or tv clips of certain well known individuals it bloody infuriates me that I am expected to accept that they are a woman because they say they are. It really gives me a rage. How dare they.
IMO many of these people are taking the piss and bloody loving having the opportunity to do so.

MrsSnippyPants Wed 05-Feb-20 19:57:15

I agree with Cunty We keep talking, we keep going, we praise good work, we question everyone and everything.
Let’s move, let’s keep moving, even when we feel we are getting nowhere, we are trying to turn back decades of regulatory and policy capture.
Sunlight is the only answer.

HermioneWeasley Wed 05-Feb-20 19:59:17

I’m bloody furious. Today’s clueless candidate waffled on about one single transwoman and how vulnerable they would be in a men’s prisons, rather than answering the question asked about men in women’s prisons.

They are so contemptuous

Newuser123123 Wed 05-Feb-20 19:59:36

What's frustrating me is the amount of effort we're having to put into justifying our existence, biology, right to free speech, right to assemble, our single sex spaces on the basis of philosophical questions over gender identity. When in reality, it's just a sex thing.

Redshoeblueshoe Wed 05-Feb-20 20:02:17

It was a fucking disgrace.
And I expect exactly the same from RLB and LN

ScrimshawTheSecond Wed 05-Feb-20 20:02:49

Also, I am really let down and hurt by Mumsnet here. Deleting women's comments because they don't toe the line? Keeping feminists on a tight leash?

I am insulted. And angry. And the email that said:

'We've received plenty of representation from other Mumsnet users on this point in the past year or so and we know this is why many of them have stopped engaging with webchats'

Mumsnetters don't engage with webchats because - feminists talk too much about women's rights? Really? Honestly?

Politicians just can't handle women asking them too many questions? Odd, that, as they all seem to be perfectly capable of ignoring them so far.

theflushedzebra Wed 05-Feb-20 20:03:02

I want to ask EMily Thornberry - and all these politicians - have they even heard of autogynephilia?

Imnobody4 Wed 05-Feb-20 20:03:35

I started this year feeling strengthened and hopeful but it's all evaporated. The fact we haven't had Harry's ruling yet, the behaviour of the CPS, Baroness Williams and the total cowardice of 99% of all politicians. The refusal to research and not just swallow Stonewall propaganda.
However submission is not in my nature.

StealthPolarBear Wed 05-Feb-20 20:06:53

The GRA reform consultation closed in October 2018. Looks like it's just been swept under the carpet.

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ScrimshawTheSecond Wed 05-Feb-20 20:08:45

We have an open consultation here in Scotland. Awaiting Forwomen Scotland's advice on responding. Closing in March, I believe.

Newuser123123 Wed 05-Feb-20 20:11:02

I think they've published it now

StealthPolarBear Wed 05-Feb-20 20:12:24

The English one? Just been on the page and it said still analysing

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CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost Wed 05-Feb-20 20:12:43

The fact we haven't had Harry's ruling yet

The fact the police put zero effort into their defense should tell you how much the outcome is weighed in their favour, it's all most likely lips service.

But there is no point in getting angry, you can't change it, this is on a set very planned path.
But because you can't change it doesn't mean you can't fight against it, Never give in and constantly ask questions, tell those around you and teach people about what is happening, teach your children it's okay to question, it's okay to say no and that feelings of discomfort are not normal because the school system will not, anything thing which has state funding will not.

ahumanfemale Wed 05-Feb-20 20:13:21

I didn't even bother with the web chat because I knew what would happen and it annoyed me too much.

I am absolutely fucking furious - and scared about the future - to see people who claim to be caring etc throwing safeguarding out. Either you support the elimination of risk of sexual and physical male on female violence, or you don't. I'm happy working in grey areas, but with safeguarding, there are no grey areas. If you support a single grey safeguarding area, if you cannot get behind zero tolerance of male on female sexual and physical harm, you are actively enabling it.

I'm angry that so many people are willing to accept a situation that DOES lead to increased incidents of attacks on women. That some women and girls simply have ceased to count any more.

And this is EXACTLY the same attitude that enables Americans to turn a blind eye to kids in cages. On some level, these people think it's ok to inflict extreme trauma on vulnerable people, because it enables them to feel good about themselves in another way.

It's sick, scary and I'm bloody angry.

rogdmum Wed 05-Feb-20 20:16:27

Apparently Harry’s ruling is next Friday (posted on his fb?)

I’m playing the long game- thinking 4+ years. I’m just going to keep plodding away, trying to let as many people as possible know what is going on.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost Wed 05-Feb-20 20:22:01

I think for a lot of people here it's the first time they've tried to go against the system and realised incredibly quickly the measures in place and the people who are suppose to keep it fair don't work at all.

It's not new, it's always been like this, it's just before you've never needed it to be fair because you've agreed with it.

Newuser123123 Wed 05-Feb-20 20:26:16

Sorry, I meant for women Scot guidance x

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