Intersectionality appropriation explained by Lisa re Sally Hines

[SignMeUp]

So a friend of mine is starting a monthly Women's Dance Event. She made a Facebook page for it and guess what? Everyone jumped in demanding her to define "woman" and who is welcome. She was pretty much forced to clarify that it's for anyone who identifies as a woman. .Here is how she said it: ( Keep in mind she is a young nursing mother with 5 children who has recently moved and now has to move again because of moldy home, shit landlord, she doesn't sit around reading gender critical or queer theory,etc) " In response to questions of gender naming and this Women Only dance~ this is a dance created especially and exclusively for people who identify as women. ❤️ALL women are welcome.❤️ This is inclusive of some people, and not of others, because it is a sacred space deliberately created for women"
OK. Next come the non-binaries asking if they are welcome. So, if someone is "non binary and trans masc" are they welcome? My friend, the organizer didn't respond at first, but several other women stepped up with their Kool-Aid mustaches to pontificate.
I stepped in with the softest kid-gloves to clarify a few things. Blah blah blah I am so very tired of being diplomatic. I was accused of over-intellectualizing and many assumptions were expressed out of the blue. Today I was given the intersectionality prop , virtue signal. I'm furious and I just so happened upon this video and it made me feel much better.
Thank you for letting me vent

[Bittermints]

Thanks, will watch later. Re your friend's event - what is the matter with people who nitpick about what 'Women's' means in a context like that? If they want a monthly dance for people with blue hair why don't they start their own instead of taking over someone else's?

[SignMeUp]

Bittermints Good question. It seems so petty with what is going on in the real world. Yet I feel deeply sorry for these young women and I guess I hope to gently welcome them back from this cult. I would have really liked to have a womens only dance space. "Penis Free Zone" didn't go over too well. I have utmost compassion for the masc identified young women and it is the saddest irony that they end up being excluded.

[EverardDigby]

I remember nearly 30 years ago at the same event organising two meetings about women's rights. The first one was women only, and some men kicked off quite strongly that they were excluded. The other meeting was open to men and women, but not a single man came. This reminds me of that, this shit has been going on for ages.

[StarsAndWater]

I was at a local Christmas fair recently where local organisations and charities had stalls to hand out leaflets, do raffles, raise a bit of cash etc.
It struck me how many were for a specific biological/physical group in some way e.g for the over 60s, or BAME or charities for people with a specific illness or disability.
I'm betting it wouldnt occur to any of the people having a go at the OPs friend that those groups are 'exclusionary' and demand they explain themselves.
Women are the only ones who aren't allowed their own spaces.

[Bittermints]

Indeed. I remember reading a while back a very interesting Twitter thread or blog post from Jessica Eaton. She and her partner run a mental health foundation for men in memory of his father who had very serious MH problems and tragically took his own life. She says nobody ever queries why the foundation is for men only. They get a lot of praise for their work.

But when she turns to her day job, which is researching into violence against women and girls, she gets a constant barrage of 'Not all men are like that', 'Women can be violent too but men are too ashamed to report it', 'Why aren't you researching into violent women?' etc etc.

I wonder why.

[R0wantrees]

Yet lots of dancing events are advertised for the under 12s, over 25s, over 65s etc and age is not a protected characteristic in the Equality Act

[missbonita]

victimfocus.wordpress.com/2018/01/03/stop-asking-me-what-about-men/

Here is June’s article :)

[Ereshkigal]

OK. Next come the non-binaries asking if they are welcome. So, if someone is "non binary and trans masc" are they welcome?

Why the fuck would they be? By their own batshit logic they aren't women. They're not asking in good faith. They're doing it to cause trouble. This is what is happening to women's spaces.

[LikeDust]

op you do realise that those people have no interest in actually attending the monthly dance don't you?

They just want to prevent women from meeting without males present because they are anti-women.

If your friend had originally said 'trans friendly' then there would have been no bother.

[Ereshkigal]

They just want to prevent women from meeting without males present because they are anti-women.

Exactly this.

[R0wantrees]

Why the fuck would they be? By their own batshit logic they aren't women. They're not asking in good faith. They're doing it to cause trouble. This is what is happening to women's spaces.

Eresh There seems to be a dual perspective within the non-binary community (with no sense of irony). That they are neither man/woman and also want access on the basis of being both male & female.

[OvaHere]

I'm sorry they've screwed with your friend OP.

These people don't give a shit about her small dance class or attending it. They just want to destroy it.

[BettyDuMonde]

Everyone knows what a woman is, we all came out of one.

Anyone pretending not to know in this context is being a virtual signalling bully.

[breastfeedingclownfish]

Why doesn't your friend just say no? If it's not publicly funded I see no reason to capitulate. Say vulva only. If they ask if will check pants, get her to send a wink icon.

[Ereshkigal]

That they are neither man/woman and also want access on the basis of being both male & female.

Eye. Roll.

But "trans mascs" don't acknowledge their female sex at all do they?

I want my cake, I want to eat it. And I'll have yours too.

[R0wantrees]

But "trans mascs" don't acknowledge their female sex at all do they?

They do, its rebranded!

[Ereshkigal]

I think some absolutely reject it and some want it all ways.

[NeurotrashWarrior]

Thank you for this. I've only just heard of SH on the WH prog.

Overwhelmingly it was clear she has zero understanding of intersectionality. She used it when necessary then totally ignored it when it didn't suit (ie that women matter). This film has been an excellent view as it highlights why true intersectionality matters and is real and how it's real; something I've felt for a while but not been able to get straight in my head.

I'm going to have to watch it again several times to fully get what she's saying just towards the end. Love Lisa so much.

[R0wantrees]

Courtesy of Pink News:
'Nico Tortorella: Non-binary folks should go to women’s events'
(extract)
Non-binary actor Nico Tortorella has justified attending Glamour magazine‘s Women of the Year summit in an emotional call to break down the gender binary.

After appearing on a panel at the November 11 event in New York City, the bisexual Younger star wrote on Instagram the next day (November 12) about “how important it is for someone who looks like me, with my non-binary identity, to occupy and leverage predominantly cis female-bodied spaces.”


They urged their followers to “find a way of addressing the discrimination faced by women without upholding the gender binary,” which they said was a way of “making us feel as if femininity and masculinity have to be distinct and opposing.”

Tortorella, who was on the panel with model Ashley Graham, transgender Pose actor Indya Moore, comedian Phoebe Robinson and bisexual Arrested Development star Alia Shawkat, said they always think “Why me?” when invited to female events.

“I find myself spiralling,” said the Scream 4 actor, “thinking and feeling the depths of my own gender and queer identity—thinking about what it would feel like to be someone who looks like me up there talking to someone who looks like them.”

But Tortorella said that the “graceful powerhouse women” they were surrounded by at the event had made them realise they belonged.

“I am feminine,” wrote the 30-year-old star. “I am masculine. You are feminine. You are masculine. All to varying degrees. The critical balance of the two has been philosophised since the beginning of time.

“Queer rights, and trans rights, are inherently women’s rights. MASCULINE AND FEMININE RIGHTS,” they continued.

“The more we feed into the binary the more divided we become. The sooner we all band together… Women, men, and everyone in between to not fight this issue but correct the imbalance, the sooner we will have some love-based social order in this world.” (continues)

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/11/13/nico-tortorella-non-binary-women/

NB Tortorella is pictured left
(nota bene)

[NeurotrashWarrior]

Had to read that several times to understand...

Occupy women's spaces?????

[R0wantrees]

Thought this statement was interesting and relevent to the OP,

“how important it is for someone who looks like me, with my non-binary identity, to occupy and leverage predominantly cis female-bodied spaces.”

[SignMeUp]

Thanks for all the comments. The virtue signaller has decided not to go. You all were right. Just want to stir up shit.

[NotTerfNorCis]

MASCULINE AND FEMININE RIGHTS

Women were not historically oppressed because they 'felt feminine'.

[NeurotrashWarrior]

The entitled narcissism of that statement...

[SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed]

Yet lots of dancing events are advertised for the under 12s, over 25s, over 65s etc and age is not a protected characteristic in the Equality Act hmm

Age is protected.