What you need to know: Scotland’s women’s sector speaks out on gender recognition for trans people

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www.commonspace.scot/articles/12402/what-you-need-know-scotland-s-women-s-sector-speaks-out-gender-recognition-trans

"The following organisations were interviewed: Engender, Rape Crisis Scotland, Scottish Women’s Aid, the Young Women’s Movement (YWCA Scotland), Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre, Forth Valley Rape Crisis, Edinburgh Women’s Aid, and Shakti Women’s Aid."

"All of the organisations interviewed were keen to stress the positive effects which the proposed changes would have for trans people."

“It is very wrong that individuals who want to change their gender are treated as having a mental health issue rather than an identity,"

“It’s as simple as people having access to basic human rights and I think that’s what feminism is about.”

"All of the organisations were also clear that they are inclusive of trans women, and emphasised that most Women’s Aid and Rape Crisis services already operate on the basis of including all self-identified women"

"Chief executive of Rape Crisis Scotland Sandy Brindley said: “I think the most important thing to say is that [the proposed legal changes] should make no difference to the provision of women-only services – that’s where some confusion has arisen.

“There isn’t any Rape Crisis which would ask to see documentation of gender.”"

"Sandy Brindley of Rape Crisis Scotland explained: “What we know about sex offenders is that they are very manipulative. At the moment there is an assessment that takes place [before gender can be legally changed], so, potentially, I think there is an implication there for prisons.”

However, Brindley stressed: “There are no parallels at all with the trans community in general, so this should absolutely not be used to undermine the legislation, which we support.”"

"Sandy Brindley agreed that “it’s a misunderstanding that supporting trans women means not recording data by gender” and that it was important to ensure “we are still measuring sex related data for discrimination against women”."

Gah! Where to start - the above quotes are cherry picked by me, but it seems that all the representatives are either hard of thinking or just parroting the party line so they don't lose their funding

“What we know about sex offenders is that they are very manipulative.“
“What we know about sex offenders is that they are very male“

“we are still measuring sex related data for discrimination against women"
“we are still measuring sex related data for discrimination against women by adding male people into the female data“

I heard women felt threatened to speak out and the funding depends on them being trans inclusive.

I wondered if that was the case.

It would be interesting if a journalist could speak to some people in the sector with a guarantee of anonymity, and see if that is what they really think.

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I heard women felt threatened to speak out and the funding depends on them being trans inclusive.

If that was the case, I would have preferred them to say that and let the funding go.

God thats depressing

Also one of the women's organisations in Scotland, Sisters Uncut, which is supposed to be fighting domestic violence, tweeted demanding a WPUK venue to donate money to a charity which had tweeted encouraging violence against women. WPUK were just trying to talk about how biological women could ensure their rights and safety were protected in any proposed change to the law.

There is a thread about it below somewhere.

I think some women are also involved and more trusting. For example sisters uncut seem to have some enthusiastic people at the BAFTAS which got lots of positive coverage. But obviously something wrong at the back end somewhere.

Last time I was in a rc centre and they were having some work done there were signs everywhere telling you there was a man working in the building and to tell someone if this effected you in any way. A couple of years later and it’s no biggie if men are in a rc centre apparently. I didn’t realise men had stopped raping women in the last few years - what progress!